Does Frank Wren now jump into the trade market?

PawPawMaxwell said:
For those who dont want to move any of the big 3 arb players, is it a consideration that keeping all 3 might make moving JUp or Medlen a necessity a la the Maddux case? Those are the only 2 who would be viable in a salary dump.

Also, remember last week when JS was quoted as saying "Wren is not finished yet".
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Nope. Even if all 3 win their arb hearings, that would bring the payroll to ~$91 million for 16 players. Assuming the other 9 guys on the roster average $.75 million we'd be just under $98 million.
 
You trade Kimbrel because when you're on a strict budget you don't pay for saves. There's a reason everyone said that Jason Hursh was drafted to be Kimbrel's successor.
 
We can fit Kimbrel under budget, why would we trade him? Odds are we can do it next year as well (assuming we can unload Uggla and probably will be forced to unload Medlen anyway.
 
zitothebrave said:
We can fit Kimbrel under budget, why would we trade him? Odds are we can do it next year as well (assuming we can unload Uggla and probably will be forced to unload Medlen anyway.
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I'm sorry as much as i love Kimbrel if i have a choice of keeping him or Medlen, I keep Medlen every day and twice on sunday. For a team with a limited budget Medlen is much more valuable
Plus i think if he comes back and shows hes healthy id give Venters a shot at the closers role.
 
Gammons on Hot Stove this AM addressed the arb situation with Braves young players in a pretty meaningful way IMO. Should all 3 win it could play havoc with the team by 2016 and possibly beyond.

I dont think losing to Heyward and Freeman would be disadvantageous but should Kimbrel win and plays out the season it could mean that there will be no money to make a meaningful deal at the trade deadline. Just a thought.
 
Heyward is gone. Wouldn't be surprised if it happened this year. If BJ wasn't such a ?, I think it would've already.
 
Pro-athlete priorities: 1. Pay me what I think I deserve, 2. Look good on Sportscenter "earning" that money, 3. Maybe win some games and even a championship IF my "team" can afford any other players.
 
In terms of ramifications for the future, the outcome of the Kimbrel case is much more important than the Heyward and Freeman cases.
 
If Kimbrel makes $9M this year then you can expect him to make $12M next year, and probably $15M the next. Maybe more.

Considering the league-wide lack of interest in closers this offseason, I would expect Wren to find it very hard to trade Kimbrel and what amounts to a 2 year contract worth $25M-$30M next offseason.

The Braves will be lucky to extract much of any value from losing Kimbrel. He will be too expensive to get much in a trade, and they won't be able to afford him through his arb years to acquire a compensation pick when he leaves as a FA.

He is probably the least valuable pre-arb superstar I can remember.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
Gammons on Hot Stove this AM addressed the arb situation with Braves young players in a pretty meaningful way IMO. Should all 3 win it could play havoc with the team by 2016 and possibly beyond.

I dont think losing to Heyward and Freeman would be disadvantageous but should Kimbrel win and plays out the season it could mean that there will be no money to make a meaningful deal at the trade deadline. Just a thought.
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We usually have money at the deadline and don't spend it so I don't view it as much of a loss if so.
 
Enscheff said:
If Kimbrel makes $9M this year then you can expect him to make $12M next year, and probably $15M the next. Maybe more.

Considering the league-wide lack of interest in closers this offseason, I would expect Wren to find it very hard to trade Kimbrel and what amounts to a 2 year contract worth $25M-$30M next offseason.

The Braves will be lucky to extract much of any value from losing Kimbrel. He will be too expensive to get much in a trade, and they won't be able to afford him through his arb years to acquire a compensation pick when he leaves as a FA.

He is probably the least valuable pre-arb superstar I can remember.
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So what do you do. If you cant pay him and he is untradeable do you non tender him? DFA in the off season?
Personally I think Kimbrel will lose this year. Just that I think the gap is too wide to set precedence. Which brings the next question. If he can be traded this spring, to which team and what could he bring back at either price?
 
I think it's too late to trade him this offseason. If Kimbrel was going to be traded it needed to happen back when all the legit closers were still on the market, and a bunch of teams still needed closers.

I would try to win now with him, and then deal with the ramifications next offseason.
 
Enscheff said:
I think it's too late to trade him this offseason. If Kimbrel was going to be traded it needed to happen back when all the legit closers were still on the market, and a bunch of teams still needed closers.

I would try to win now with him, and then deal with the ramifications next offseason.
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Not to nit pick but do you really think he is that much of a difference maker? I know the numbers he has put up and all but in the end he is still a closer and unless he only saves one run games he becomes pretty fungible all in all.
 
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