Does Frank Wren now jump into the trade market?

cajunrevenge said:
Liberty strikes me as a phillies fan.
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Because of the Liberty Bell?

Liberty hasn't done anything wrong, yet. I don't understand why people refuse to untwist their panties over ownership. They aren't cutting payroll. We haven't had to trade anybody off a la Millwood for Estrada. Until that time, I'll reserve my judgements instead of harboring unfounded hatreds. JMO.

I know everybody wants an Arthur Blank type owner. I do too.

But we could be the Marlins, or the Rays (an organization excited because it just handed out two of its largest contracts to ... James Loney and Grant Balfour) ...
 
Enscheff said:
If Kimbrel makes $9M this year then you can expect him to make $12M next year, and probably $15M the next. Maybe more.

Considering the league-wide lack of interest in closers this offseason, I would expect Wren to find it very hard to trade Kimbrel and what amounts to a 2 year contract worth $25M-$30M next offseason.

The Braves will be lucky to extract much of any value from losing Kimbrel. He will be too expensive to get much in a trade, and they won't be able to afford him through his arb years to acquire a compensation pick when he leaves as a FA.

He is probably the least valuable pre-arb superstar I can remember.
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Kimbrel isn't just your average joe closer. What Kimbrel has done in his first 3 years as a closer has been put up argubly the 3 best seasons a closer has ever had. Yes even better than Mariano Rivera. I got into an argument about this a couple months ago. Right now you're looking at the greatest relief pitcher, not just closer, to ever pitch in the major leagues. Look up the numbers and compare him to the all-time greats. His are better than every single of one them. Mariano Rivera just retired. The Yankees didn't go out and replace him because they're hoping David Robertson will be able to do the job. He may. But the Yankees would probably give the Braves a fortune in a trade to get Kimbrel next off-season and the Braves have to do it. So get ready, because it's going to happen, come 2015 Craig Kimbrel will be wearing pinstripes.
 
Hawk said:
Because of the Liberty Bell?

Liberty hasn't done anything wrong, yet. I don't understand why people refuse to untwist their panties over ownership. They aren't cutting payroll. We haven't had to trade anybody off a la Millwood for Estrada. Until that time, I'll reserve my judgements instead of harboring unfounded hatreds. JMO.

I know everybody wants an Arthur Blank type owner. I do too.

But we could be the Marlins, or the Rays (an organization excited because it just handed out two of its largest contracts to ... James Loney and Grant Balfour) ...
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Being the Rays is nothing to be ashamed of. The Rays have done more in the last 5 years than the Braves have with a quarter of the payroll of the Braves. Think about that next time you choose to bash the Rays for the way they do business.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
Being the Rays is nothing to be ashamed of. The Rays have done more in the last 5 years than the Braves have with a quarter of the payroll of the Braves. Think about that next time you choose to bash the Rays for the way they do business.
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Or, how about the next time you choose to make an asinine post A) comprehend the post you are responding to B) get your facts straight.

- I never said anything about being anyone being ashamed of Tampa Bay. Their payroll is bottom of the barrel. Ours isn't.

- Further, in fact, Tampa has not 'done more in the last 5 years than the Braves' -- Atlanta has a combined higher regular season winning percentage, and neither team has made it past the LDS.
 
Hawk said:
Or, how about the next time you choose to make an asinine post A) comprehend the post you are responding to B) get your facts straight.

- I never said anything about being anyone being ashamed of Tampa Bay. Their payroll is bottom of the barrel. Ours isn't.

- Further, in fact, Tampa has not 'done more in the last 5 years than the Braves' -- Atlanta has a combined higher regular season winning percentage, and neither team has made it past the LDS.
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The Mariners have won a playoff series more recently than the Braves.
 
It is pretty rare to get much detail on a team's overall budgeting. I thought it was interesting to see this breakdown for the 2013 season for the Rockies provided by their owner:

Category Amount
Revenue $170 million
Team Payroll $84 million
Payroll of corporate staff, travel, pension/health insurance of all employees $25 million
Draft bonuses, international signings $12 million
Stadium operations $12 million
Minor*league player development $10 million
Major*league operations $10 million
Ticket/marketing $7.6 million
Scouting $4.3 million
Debt service to MLB $4 million
Umpires $1.5 million
Spring training $1 million
Community spending $1 million
Total nonteam payroll cost $88.4 million
Total cost plus payroll $172.4 million

The full article can be found here: http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/c...iled-look-at-teams-budget-financial-structure
 
Hawk said:
Or, how about the next time you choose to make an asinine post A) comprehend the post you are responding to B) get your facts straight.

- I never said anything about being anyone being ashamed of Tampa Bay. Their payroll is bottom of the barrel. Ours isn't.

- Further, in fact, Tampa has not 'done more in the last 5 years than the Braves' -- Atlanta has a combined higher regular season winning percentage, and neither team has made it past the LDS.
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You mentioned the Marlins and Rays in the same sentence. That's the asinine post here. Also last time I checked the Rays went to the World Series in 2008. The Braves haven't made it past the 1st round of the playoffs since 2001. Put that in your pipe and smoke it son.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
You mentioned the Marlins and Rays in the same sentence. That's the asinine post here. Also last time I checked the Rays went to the World Series in 2008. The Braves haven't made it past the 1st round of the playoffs since 2001. Put that in your pipe and smoke it son.
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Maybe you can't count, which I could understand given the juvenile construct of your post(s), but you said "in the past 5 years" ... I'll help you out a little: 2008 was 6 seasons ago.

I don't know if I can help you out with the concept of semantics, that would require a level of pipe smoking that might deter you (or might not).

FWIW in continuing to shake up your world: The Marlins, who you are hating on using the same random measure, actually have won a World Series since 2001. Something that neither Tampa or Atlanta has accomplished.
 
don't look now, but the Rays have really upped their payroll; its now in the area of 72 million.

Not paying real close attention but aren't most teams upping their payroll? Braves haven't, but once they get done losing arbitration cases that will probably change. Has anyone done a calculation?
 
stpeteirish said:
don't look now, but the Rays have really upped their payroll; its now in the area of 72 million.

Not paying real close attention but aren't most teams upping their payroll? Braves haven't, but once they get done losing arbitration cases that will probably change. Has anyone done a calculation?
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Assuming the team wins the three arbitration cases and Floyd earns half his incentives, payroll is at $95M.

My guess is Wren is also holding something back in reserve for mid-season moves, which would leave the budget for player salaries in the 100-105M range for this year. The outcome of the arbitration cases will determine how much mid-season flexibility he has.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Well both were 2001. Regardless this team has turned into an average franchise at best.
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We are better than average IMO. We are not elite like we once was but we have not fallen all the way to being an average franchise either. Now if we can't sign some of these young players to long terms deals, it will not be long before we are below average. I just believe that any playoff team is better than an average team.
 
jason27nc said:
We are better than average IMO. We are not elite like we once was but we have not fallen all the way to being an average franchise either. Now if we can't sign some of these young players to long terms deals, it will not be long before we are below average. I just believe that any playoff team is better than an average team.
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I like being a fan of a team that contends year in year out. But there are others who might prefer the Miami Marlins model. Win a championship. Blow the team up. Endure some very lean years. Rinse. Repeat. Not sure it is a repeatable model, but to the extent it is there is the view that flags fly forever and so forth.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Well both were 2001. Regardless this team has turned into an average franchise at best.
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If the Braves are average what does that make 90% of the rest of the league? Over the last 5 years the Braves have won 456 games which is the 3rd most in baseball. Yes our payroll is crap compared to other teams and we have played poor in the playoffs but average at best? Get out of here with that ****.
 
Aroldis Chapman settling for $5M should be a data point in the Braves favor when the Kimbrel arbitration case comes up.
 
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