DOGE

What’s the old saying - can’t make an omelette without cracking some eggs.

There are always up front costs in business reorganizations but the idea is to set it up long term for future success.

So before you make a claim that “I don’t know how to run a business” maybe you should look in the mirror because I know my credentials and my experience. What is exactly your experience on these topics?
 
To be clear

I have no problem for WFH. I'm full time WFH (yall see how much time I waste on this site, don't you?) If you can do that job, great!

But it's not good at scale. We actually measured this at my 50,000 person company during covid. At the beginning, productivity spiked, but over time it declined to eventually substantially less than pre pandemic levels. The other thing we measured was "innovation" (basically new product feature cards) and it went down a ton bc we lost that in person collaboration

But there are plenty of people who are great from home.

That has nothing to do with my point that federal employees are mostly subpar. And if a indiscriminate targeting of WFH happens, that means on balance we will be getting rid of a lot of subpar employees
 
sturg33 said:
To be clear

I have no problem for WFH. I'm full time WFH (yall see how much time I waste on this site, don't you?) If you can do that job, great!

But it's not good at scale. We actually measured this at my 50,000 person company during covid. At the beginning, productivity spiked, but over time it declined to eventually substantially less than pre pandemic levels. The other thing we measured was "innovation" (basically new product feature cards) and it went down a ton bc we lost that in person collaboration

But there are plenty of people who are great from home.

That has nothing to do with my point that federal employees are mostly subpar. And if a indiscriminate targeting of WFH happens, that means on balance we will be getting rid of a lot of subpar employees
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It’s very clear what the intentions are of this policy.
 
sturg33 said:
To be clear

I have no problem for WFH. I'm full time WFH (yall see how much time I waste on this site, don't you?) If you can do that job, great!

But it's not good at scale. We actually measured this at my 50,000 person company during covid. At the beginning, productivity spiked, but over time it declined to eventually substantially less than pre pandemic levels. The other thing we measured was "innovation" (basically new product feature cards) and it went down a ton bc we lost that in person collaboration

But there are plenty of people who are great from home.

That has nothing to do with my point that federal employees are mostly subpar. And if a indiscriminate targeting of WFH happens, that means on balance we will be getting rid of a lot of subpar employees
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I think that’s all true…I guess the way I look at it is the federal government was horribly inefficient before WFH spiked a few years ago, so how much juice will we really get from this squeeze? Feels like the DOGE thing is having a moment right now, and I worry about its leaders prioritizing and striking while the iron is hot.
 
thethe said:
You can't do a RIF unless its completely arbitrary. Picking and choosing opens you up to a tremendous amount of lawsuits especially as I'm assuming there is no formal review/HR structure in these departments.

So I would pose to you that you don't have a clue on how companies are ran.

These are sunk costs that are typically considered EBITDA addbacks and aren't an evaluation on the efficiency and profitability of a business moving forward.
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That has nothing to do with what I said.

And nearly every state is an at will state, so they can fire you for any legal reason they want to. Obviously the Federal government is not at will employment, but the point remains.

I can assure that firing a large chunk of your workforce and then hiring back brand new employees that have to be retrained is a losing business strategy.
 
sturg33 said:
To be clear

I have no problem for WFH. I'm full time WFH (yall see how much time I waste on this site, don't you?) If you can do that job, great!

But it's not good at scale. We actually measured this at my 50,000 person company during covid. At the beginning, productivity spiked, but over time it declined to eventually substantially less than pre pandemic levels. The other thing we measured was "innovation" (basically new product feature cards) and it went down a ton bc we lost that in person collaboration

But there are plenty of people who are great from home.

That has nothing to do with my point that federal employees are mostly subpar. And if a indiscriminate targeting of WFH happens, that means on balance we will be getting rid of a lot of subpar employees
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Innovation is good for companies that require innovation to grow. But I am pretty sure the social security department isn't gonna be breeding much innovation, either in person of at home.
 
Carp said:
That has nothing to do with what I said.

And nearly every state is an at will state, so they can fire you for any legal reason they want to. Obviously the Federal government is not at will employment, but the point remains.

I can assure that firing a large chunk of your workforce and then hiring back brand new employees that have to be retrained is a losing business strategy.
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It is literally a strategy that is implemented by all orgnaizations that want to 'lean up' and operate more effectively in the future.

While you care about one time costs organizations are ran to see out years of 5-10 years to determine effectiveness of decisions.
 
Carp said:
Innovation is good for companies that require innovation to grow. But I am pretty sure the social security department isn't gonna be breeding much innovation, either in person of at home.
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Innovation comes from anywhere or anyone and hte only way you get innovation after a period of stagnation is new blood.
 
sturg33 said:
Innovation can also make things more efficient
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This is the basically the bedrock of data anlaytics.

Making existing processes better by improving data pipelines / automating existing processes / getting more information in the hands of decisions makers.
 
So let's keep a count. So far Trump has created 2 new departments of government. DOGE and space force. So he need to axe 2 just to break even.

Can I get some kind of projection as to what you people expect the first Trump budget to be? How much we expecting to be cut.
 
cajunrevenge said:
So let's keep a count. So far Trump has created 2 new departments of government. DOGE and space force. So he need to axe 2 just to break even.

Can I get some kind of projection as to what you people expect the first Trump budget to be? How much we expecting to be cut.
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I do think if Trump were truly serious about wanting to improve government efficiency, he could simply improve the presumably existing but ineffective internal audits in each department and work with experts in each area (including private sector counterparts such as Musk) to bring down bloat and increase accountability. Instead, we have a literal meme department.

Some of this **** isn’t really rocket science. It’s just a broken, ineffective system that’s gotten by because the elected officials have had no urgency to act before. But you don’t need to make a fancy office for it, you just have to manage each department from the top down.
 
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As I have said I will give Trump credit if he reduces spending by a meaningful amount but I am skeptical after he added almost as much debt as Obama in half the time. Inflation started going up because of it but he managed to deflect that inflation he caused onto Biden. Inflation was going up as he left office and exploded in March of 2021. Long before anything Biden did could affect it. It peaked in 2022 and is now back to a manageable level. Which I have no doubt he will take credit for and spinless Democrats will just roll over and accept it.
 
cajunrevenge said:
As I have said I will give Trump credit if he reduces spending by a meaningful amount but I am skeptical after he added almost as much debt as Obama in half the time. Inflation started going up because of it but he managed to deflect that inflation he caused onto Biden. Inflation was going up as he left office and exploded in March of 2021. Long before anything Biden did could affect it. It peaked in 2022 and is now back to a manageable level. Which I have no doubt he will take credit for and spinless Democrats will just roll over and accept it.
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Manageable amount? For who?

Oh - I think I understand. You think the rate of inflation reducing is an actual reduction in inflation.
 
thethe said:
Manageable amount? For who?

Oh - I think I understand. You think the rate of inflation reducing is an actual reduction in inflation.
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Inflation will not reduce. Why woudl Ford/GM/etc. lower the price of their car to 25000 if consumers are willing to pay 30000? Inflation won't deflate until we have a market crash. Because again, why would people not do it? If I can sell a million iPhones for 1000 dollars or 1.1 million for 900 dollars seems like you'd much rather make more profit and more revenue.
 
cajunrevenge said:
As I have said I will give Trump credit if he reduces spending by a meaningful amount but I am skeptical after he added almost as much debt as Obama in half the time. Inflation started going up because of it but he managed to deflect that inflation he caused onto Biden. Inflation was going up as he left office and exploded in March of 2021. Long before anything Biden did could affect it. It peaked in 2022 and is now back to a manageable level. Which I have no doubt he will take credit for and spinless Democrats will just roll over and accept it.
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The inflation rate under Trump was right in line with Obama and his average inflation rate was lower than Obama's. Inflation was tracking down 2 straight years prior to the pandemic.
 
Carp said:
The inflation rate under Trump was right in line with Obama and his average inflation rate was lower than Obama's. Inflation was tracking down 2 straight years prior to the pandemic.
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You can't do what we did in 2020 and not have a massive spike in inflation following
 
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