Economics Thread

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/what-kamala-harris-doesn-t-get-about-food-costs/ar-AA1pk6zu

Last week in North Carolina, Kamala Harris called for a new federal law to ban “price gouging on food.” Such a law might be popular, but it would have, at best, no impact on grocery prices and might even make the problem worse. That’s especially unfortunate because it distracts from all the federal policy changes that actually could reduce food prices.

The evidence that price gouging was responsible for the post-pandemic spike in food prices is somewhere between thin and nonexistent. A recent report from the New York Federal Reserve found that retail food inflation was mainly driven by “much higher food commodity prices and large increases in wages for grocery store workers,” while profits at grocers and food manufacturers “haven’t been important.” Similarly, a 2023 report from the Kansas City Fed observed that rising food prices were overwhelmingly concentrated in processed foods, the prices of which are more sensitive to (and thus driven by) labor-market tightness and wage increases. Grocery profits did rise briefly during the pandemic, but the increase was the predictable result of increased demand (thanks to government stimulus along with more Americans eating at home) running headfirst into restricted supply (thanks to pandemic-related closures and supply-chain snarls, along with the war in Ukraine, a major food producer). In fact, expanding corporate profits frequently accompany bouts of heightened demand and inflation; the past few years have been no different.



Inflation is generally a macroeconomic issue, driven by broad monetary and fiscal policies, not the choices of individual corporate actors. Food prices in particular are shaped by volatile forces—weather, geopolitics, natural disasters—beyond government control or influence, which is why economists’ “core inflation” metric omits them. As economics textbooks and centuries of experience teach us, limiting the amount that companies can charge is more likely to reduce supply by discouraging investment and production: a recipe for both shortages and higher, not lower, prices in the long term. The main solution to voters’ grocery angst is simply time, as normal market conditions return and American incomes slowly outpace U.S. food prices.

That fix, of course, is a nonstarter for candidates running for an election just months away and tagged, fairly or not—mostly not—with causing higher grocery prices. Politicians whose pitch to voters is “Just be patient” could soon be out of a job—so they must promise to do something. The good news is that an eager White House and Congress, laser-focused on food prices, have plenty of policy reforms available that would give American consumers some relief. The bad news is that they would all involve angering powerful business interest groups, which is why they never actually happen.

Start with trade restrictions. To protect the domestic farming industry from foreign competition, the United States maintains tariffs and “trade remedy” duties on a wide range of foods, including beef, seafood, and healthy produce that can’t be easily grown in most parts of the country: cantaloupes, apricots, spinach, watermelons, carrots, okra, sweet corn, brussels sprouts, and more. Special “tariff-rate quotas” further restrict imports of sugar, dairy products, peanuts and peanut butter, tuna, chocolate, and other foods. These tariffs do what they are designed to do: keep prices artificially high. Sugar, for example, costs about twice as much in the U.S. as it does in the rest of the world. The USDA conservatively estimated in 2021 that the elimination of U.S. agricultural tariffs would benefit American consumers by about $3.5 billion.

In addition to tariffs, regulatory protectionism—against imported products such as tuna, catfish, and biofuel inputs—causes more consumer pain for little health, safety, or environmental gain. The 2022 baby-formula crisis exposed the degree to which Food and Drug Administration regulations effectively wall off the U.S. market from high-demand, safely regulated alternatives made abroad—alternatives that the Biden administration tapped when the crisis hit. These regulatory measures further inflate prices: The USDA, for example, once calculated that mandatory country-of-origin labeling for meat imports cost American meatpackers, retailers, and consumers about $1.3 billion annually. Those rules were scrapped after years of litigation, but cattle ranchers and their congressional champions continue working to reinstate them.



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https://cafehayek.com/2024/09/yet-another-open-letter-to-donald-trump-2.html

Mr. Trump:

Speaking yesterday in Wisconsin you complained that some countries might soon stop using the dollar as a global reserve currency. You also repeated your frequent grievance that America consistently runs trade deficits.

Your unawareness of the gross contradiction in your twin gripes is alarming. A major contributor to American trade deficits is foreigners’ use of the dollar as a global reserve currency. Every dollar that foreigners hold as reserves or use to conduct commerce with each other is a dollar that foreigners do not spend on American exports; it’s thereby a dollar added to America’s trade deficit.

Despite your long-standing belief, these trade deficits are an economic boon to Americans. But if, contrary to fact, these trade deficits were a bane to Americans, you should encourage foreigners to choose some currency other than the dollar to use for global reserves. That you instead threaten foreigners for their suspected desire to abandon the dollar as a reserve currency reveals only that you are frighteningly clueless about international commerce.

Sincerely,
Donald J. Boudreaux
Professor of Economics
and
Martha and Nelson Getchell Chair for the Study of Free Market Capitalism at the Mercatus Center
George Mason University
Fairfax, VA 22030
 
This is what I was talking about last week. Outsourcing is a national security risk not worth pursuing in many areas. I'm hoping this doesn't bite us in the ass as well.

Bring our manufacturing home.

Yes, this is an extreme example but we have no idea what a foreign enemy may attempt or withhold something important to our health or military.

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This is what I was talking about last week. Outsourcing is a national security risk not worth pursuing in many areas. I'm hoping this doesn't bite us in the ass as well.

Bring our manufacturing home.

Yes, this is an extreme example but we have no idea what a foreign enemy may attempt or withhold something important to our health or military.

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I'm willing to bet that Israel/Mossad relied heavily on foreign technology and imported components to carry this out.
 
I'm willing to bet that Israel/Mossad relied heavily on foreign technology and imported components to carry this out.

Maybe or maybe not. Israel spent 4.3% of its gross domestic product (GDP) on civil research and development in 2015 which is the highest ratio in the world.

I could be wrong but I don't see Israel outsourcing bombmaking.
 
Maybe or maybe not. Israel spent 4.3% of its gross domestic product (GDP) on civil research and development in 2015 which is the highest ratio in the world.

I could be wrong but I don't see Israel outsourcing bombmaking.

Israel is an advanced but small country. They import lots of thangs. Like cellphones.
 
These were pagers. Relatively low tech.

ok...i don't know if they manufacture pagers...doesn't look like they make cellphones

i would think their tech industry is more oriented towards high end design and software...sort of like Silicon Valley...the pagers probably came from Brazil, India or China...it is a pretty outdated product from a technological point of view...most advanced economies outsourced their production a long time ago
 
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https://www.business-standard.com/amp/world-news/kamala-harris-seeks-to-cap-child-care-costs-at-7-for-working-families-124091800144_1.html

Vice President Kamala Harris said that she would seek to cap child care costs for working families at 7% of their income, her latest effort to assure voters that she will address the high prices and broad economic anxiety that has threatened her bid for the White House against Republican Donald Trump.

“My plan is that no family, no working family, should pay more than 7 per cent of their income in child care,” Harris said Tuesday at an event in Philadelphia with the National Association of Black Journalists.



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Good grief is she terrible. Yet another price cap policy?

Let’s say a working family makes $100,000 a year. 7% = $7,000 yearly “cap” on child care costs. That comes out to about $135 a week. Call it 25 hours a week of child care comes out to a cost of $5.40 an hour.

Something tells me Kamala doesn’t want child care workers making $5 an hour sooooo anyone want to tell me what I’m missing? (Preferably without a goalpost shift to an unrelated anti-trust discussion).
 
https://www.business-standard.com/amp/world-news/kamala-harris-seeks-to-cap-child-care-costs-at-7-for-working-families-124091800144_1.html

Vice President Kamala Harris said that she would seek to cap child care costs for working families at 7% of their income, her latest effort to assure voters that she will address the high prices and broad economic anxiety that has threatened her bid for the White House against Republican Donald Trump.

“My plan is that no family, no working family, should pay more than 7 per cent of their income in child care,” Harris said Tuesday at an event in Philadelphia with the National Association of Black Journalists.


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Good grief is she terrible. Yet another price cap policy?

Let’s say a working family makes $100,000 a year. 7% = $7,000 yearly “cap” on child care costs. That comes out to about $135 a week. Call it 25 hours a week of child care comes out to a cost of $5.40 an hour.

Something tells me Kamala doesn’t want child care workers making $5 an hour sooooo anyone want to tell me what I’m missing? (Preferably without a goalpost shift to an unrelated anti-trust discussion).

I would imagine the tax payer will fill the wage gap there
 
She was also touting a plan to remove medical debt from credit score. If that were the case - what incentive would there be to pay it off?
 
https://www.business-standard.com/amp/world-news/kamala-harris-seeks-to-cap-child-care-costs-at-7-for-working-families-124091800144_1.html

Vice President Kamala Harris said that she would seek to cap child care costs for working families at 7% of their income, her latest effort to assure voters that she will address the high prices and broad economic anxiety that has threatened her bid for the White House against Republican Donald Trump.

“My plan is that no family, no working family, should pay more than 7 per cent of their income in child care,” Harris said Tuesday at an event in Philadelphia with the National Association of Black Journalists.



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Good grief is she terrible. Yet another price cap policy?

Let’s say a working family makes $100,000 a year. 7% = $7,000 yearly “cap” on child care costs. That comes out to about $135 a week. Call it 25 hours a week of child care comes out to a cost of $5.40 an hour.

Something tells me Kamala doesn’t want child care workers making $5 an hour sooooo anyone want to tell me what I’m missing? (Preferably without a goalpost shift to an unrelated anti-trust discussion).

The solve is always the rich will pay for it
 
https://www.business-standard.com/amp/world-news/kamala-harris-seeks-to-cap-child-care-costs-at-7-for-working-families-124091800144_1.html

Vice President Kamala Harris said that she would seek to cap child care costs for working families at 7% of their income, her latest effort to assure voters that she will address the high prices and broad economic anxiety that has threatened her bid for the White House against Republican Donald Trump.

“My plan is that no family, no working family, should pay more than 7 per cent of their income in child care,” Harris said Tuesday at an event in Philadelphia with the National Association of Black Journalists.



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Good grief is she terrible. Yet another price cap policy?

Let’s say a working family makes $100,000 a year. 7% = $7,000 yearly “cap” on child care costs. That comes out to about $135 a week. Call it 25 hours a week of child care comes out to a cost of $5.40 an hour.

Something tells me Kamala doesn’t want child care workers making $5 an hour sooooo anyone want to tell me what I’m missing? (Preferably without a goalpost shift to an unrelated anti-trust discussion).

But wait! The "conservative" candidate wants to impose caps on credit interest.

They keep trying to out-commie each other. America is ****ed

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But wait! The "conservative" candidate wants to impose caps on credit interest.

They keep trying to out-commie each other. America is ****ed

Came here to post the follow up, which I had to look at twice to make sure I was reading a right-wing commentator:

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