Economics Thread

thethe said:
HAHHA - the walkback begins! "We never predicted the economy would be worse or forced into recession because of tariffs!" I knew this day would come. Goalposts are moving.

Ah yes - without being able to show an increase in costs outside of inflation. Yes, you guys certainly have shown that to be the case.

Exports up with trade deficits going down post tariff period. Investment in the country is exploding.

Tariffs are certainly bad for Americans!
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Again... the economy IS worse by basically every measure possible. We have not had a great depression style crash so congrats?

We HAVE shown an increase in costs countless times. You just dismiss it every time. The fucking president went to his lame app to warn Walmart to stop passing on costs and that they must eat them. He already rolled them back on American staples specifically to lower the costs. He's calling for 12b in farm bailout to offset the tariffs. We've posted countless data sets during your vacations showing the price increases across multiple industries. You just dont care

Trade deficits are HIGHER. Manufacturing jobs are LOWER

They are bad for amaericans
 
sturg33 said:
Again... the economy IS worse by basically every measure possible. We have not had a great depression style crash so congrats?

We HAVE shown an increase in costs countless times. You just dismiss it every time. The fucking president went to his lame app to warn Walmart to stop passing on costs and that they must eat them. He already rolled them back on American staples specifically to lower the costs. He's calling for 12b in farm bailout to offset the tariffs. We've posted countless data sets during your vacations showing the price increases across multiple industries. You just dont care

Trade deficits are HIGHER. Manufacturing jobs are LOWER

They are bad for amaericans
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Worse by which measures? Because I'm seeing real wages going up at a rate that we didn't see since Trump v1.

I'm seeing incredible levels of investment from foreign countries.

I'm seeing increased exports.

I'm seeing global demand for US treasuries doing well.

I'm seeing rental prices go down.

So what are we seeing exactly? Federal and immigrant job losses?
 
thethe said:
Worse by which measures? Because I'm seeing real wages going up at a rate that we didn't see since Trump v1.

I'm seeing incredible levels of investment from foreign countries.

I'm seeing increased exports.

I'm seeing global demand for US treasuries doing well.

I'm seeing rental prices go down.

So what are we seeing exactly? Federal and immigrant job losses?
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Real wages going up have what to do with tariffs? Please tell me why imposing tariffs on our companies has resulted in them increasing their employee costs

Youre seeing announcements of incredible investments. Just like the 1st term.

Youre seeing a rebound from a poultry Q2 in US exports after liberation day

Global demand for us treasuries has nothing to do with fucking tariffs

Rental price going down has nothing to do with tariffs. If there are less foreigners in the country, that is a driver there. And thats a good policy. But also housing has gotten so expensive that sellers have started reducing their prices just to get rid of them. Thats not a sign of a healthy economy, although it is helpful for lower middle class to have a more affordable house
 
sturg33 said:
Real wages going up have what to do with tariffs? Please tell me why imposing tariffs on our companies has resulted in them increasing their employee costs

Youre seeing announcements of incredible investments. Just like the 1st term.

Youre seeing a rebound from a poultry Q2 in US exports after liberation day

Global demand for us treasuries has nothing to do with fucking tariffs

Rental price going down has nothing to do with tariffs. If there are less foreigners in the country, that is a driver there. And thats a good policy. But also housing has gotten so expensive that sellers have started reducing their prices just to get rid of them. Thats not a sign of a healthy economy, although it is helpful for lower middle class to have a more affordable house
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If there was no faith in the direction of the country, which includes tariffs, the demand for treasuries would not be this high.

Exports are trending up to multi year highs so yes countries have agreed to buy more to avoid higher tariffs. Another great usage of the tariff.

And you said blanketly the economy is worse and I've said that it isn't.
 
sturg33 said:
Why do you think the market is going up?

The fed lowered interest rates despite inflation remaining high. Its as simple as that
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Markets are up because AI/robotics/space all things that trump knew about and championed as part of his full economic agenda. You have to encourage development in the US and that’s what tariffs do.
 
thethe said:
If there was no faith in the direction of the country, which includes tariffs, the demand for treasuries would not be this high.

Exports are trending up to multi year highs so yes countries have agreed to buy more to avoid higher tariffs. Another great usage of the tariff.

And you said blanketly the economy is worse and I've said that it isn't.
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Im saying its worse because inflation is still high, but that doesnt count because inflation is alway up.

unemployment is high, but that doesnt count because less federal workers.

corporate layoffs were the highest in 20 years. But that doesnt count either because its AI

Manufacturing and construction jobs are low, but that doesnt count because these things take time. And yet, somehow, the economy is amazing with those construction and manufacturing jobs just sitting there without their foreigners

Our deficit is higher, our interest on the debt is now our 3rd biggest expense. But that doesnt count bc OBBB was a brilliant stroke of genius that had to be done

Nobody is hiring. Private payrolls are shrinking, but that doesnt count again bc AI

Less goods were sold for Christmas for more dollars spent. But that doesnt count bc kids dont 2 dolls

Record setting credit debt for the holiday season, but that doesnt count bc Joe Biden left people in a rut.

But ya know? There was a rebound in exports, despite record setting trade deficits, and a foreign company annoyed 100 trillion i ln new investments, so HAHAHHAHAHA Healthcare experts!
 
acesfull86 said:
The economy is not on incredible footing and the “health care” experts didn’t take a “massive L.” Those two parts.

You can continue to live in your own reality
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Ok so assuming continuation of momentum from q3 loving forward it’s good to know you thought we weren’t on good footing right now.
 
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