Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

smootness said:
I appreciate the post, but if the best thing we can say about a deal is, 'Well, Hart didn't get stupid overnight,' that's not a good sign.

And while I agree on our FO not liking Wood and Peraza as much as others (the only way this deal gets done), they dealt them while they still had value...but for a lesser value than they still hold. It's ok to trade a guy when you feel his value is at it's highest...but you should always get his current value no matter what. This deal wouldn't do that.

The pick and Bird have some value, but I'll say again...you can argue we gave up the best 2 pieces in the trade. Best case scenario, we gave up 1 and 3 for 2 and a couple other decent pieces. That's not good, no matter what these guys do going forward.
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I personally don't see anyway Peraza is a better piece than Olivera. JMO. I'd agree that Wood is better, though.
 
zbhargrove said:
I'm not as worried about age with Olivera because he doesn't have a lot of playing miles on his body... but that concern is the reason why he doesn't have those mile is largely because of injuries.
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It doesn't matter what the wear and tear on your body is. You slow down and wear down after 30 due to natural aging process. Plus he played a ****load in Cuba at an early age; does that not count?
 
Julio3000 said:
Yeah, there are a lot of factors here that argue for patience, or at least some caution in making immediate pronouncements about the benefit of this one. I'm skeptical—very—of this deal, but it's not exactly coming from outer space . . . we knew that we were going to trade some pitching for bats, and knew that we'd have to be creative in doing so.

My biggest concern is Olivera's health.
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Cannot argue with that; if Olivera cannot stay healthy this trade is obviously a disaster for Hart and company and a complete waste of resources.

Lets see how the medicals check out; if it goes through the Braves must have some reassurance that his injury risk is overblown.

Again, Hart isn't stupid; he's not making this deal unless he thinks Olivera is going to be able to play 150+ games a year and be an impact bat doing it. If that's the case; this trade does make quite a bit of sense.
 
smootness said:
I appreciate the post, but if the best thing we can say about a deal is, 'Well, Hart didn't get stupid overnight,' that's not a good sign.

And while I agree on our FO not liking Wood and Peraza as much as others (the only way this deal gets done), they dealt them while they still had value...but for a lesser value than they still hold. It's ok to trade a guy when you feel his value is at it's highest...but you should always get his current value no matter what. This deal wouldn't do that.

The pick and Bird have some value, but I'll say again...you can argue we gave up the best 2 pieces in the trade. Best case scenario, we gave up 1 and 3 for 2 and a couple other decent pieces. That's not good, no matter what these guys do going forward.
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Yeah, I'm not a big believer in Peraza personally, but having him in this deal is . . . wow. It's hard to argue that we got equivalent value.
 
Julio3000 said:
Yeah, there are a lot of factors here that argue for patience, or at least some caution in making immediate pronouncements about the benefit of this one. I'm skeptical—very—of this deal, but it's not exactly coming from outer space . . . we knew that we were going to trade some pitching for bats, and knew that we'd have to be creative in doing so.

My biggest concern is Olivera's health.
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As others have said, if Olivera is 25 with all the same talent and very little of the health concerns, I can see the deal. Still don't love it, but understandable.

As it is, getting Olivera at 30 without a track record and the kind of health concerns he has...it's just bizarre both from a value standpoint and because we shouldn't be getting guys on the back end of their prime, at best.
 
The other part of this is filling an enormous hole in the lineup with a guy making $6.5 million a year; that provides quite a bit of financial flexibility going forward.
 
Preacher said:
The other part of this is filling an enormous hole in the lineup with a guy making $6.5 million a year; that provides quite a bit of financial flexibility going forward.
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Possibly filling a hole for likely a short period of time.
 
Despite reportedly being prepared to deal Alex Wood to the Dodgers, the Braves are still listening on Julio Teheran, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports reports (Twitter links). He suggests, however, that the club may just be hoping for an overpay rather than actively shopping the young righty.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
 
this trade is further evidence that the braves are currently more concerned with saving money than with doing much of anything else. i predict the next move will be one where the braves trade an asset in return for a crappy prospect that has no shot ever of making it. but hey, they'll have sold a guy since they are trying to suck and will save money in the process. hello juan uribe. wake me up in 20 years.
 
yeezus said:
I personally don't see anyway Peraza is a better piece than Olivera. JMO. I'd agree that Wood is better, though.
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I agree, but I could certainly see how someone would value Peraza higher. A 21-year-old SS with good defense and speed hitting well at AAA with a reasonable chance to be a .300 hitter in the majors vs. a 30-year-old Cuban with health issues?

As I said, worst-case, we gave up 1 and 2 for 3. Best-case, we gave up 1 and 3 for 2. So it's either unbelievably terrible or just bad/bizarre.
 
The only way this trade makes sense is if the Braves just think Olivera is going to be a superstar at 3b. I guess he has a chance.
 
braves are the new florida marlins. saving a buck is the most important thing to the organization. why give up juan uribe for a bag of baseballs? because they don't want to spend any more money than they have to. losing on purpose, slashing payroll and now trading legit talent to save more money on a different guy and avoid having to give wood a raise in the process.
 
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