Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

gilesfan said:
But, have to trade them by 24 because they may get injured.
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I'm all for that approach for what it's worth. Too many pitchers burn out in their mid 20s. But I want to trade them for impact players. Not 30 year olds with no major league experience while including one of our top prospects as well.
 
sturg33 said:
Peraza averages 2 WAR over the next 6 years (also conservative in my opinion).
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FWIW, Chris Mitchell from Fangraphs recently performed a projection for Peraza based on how past players w/ similar minor league stats have fared in MLB. He projected Peraza at 8.7 WAR through age 28. He also lists multiple player comps based on similar performance at AAA. The two best performers (Alcides Escobar and Adam Kennedy) average about 2 WAR per year.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/projecting-all-the-prospects-in-the-latoswood-trade/
 
dak said:
FWIW, Chris Mitchell from Fangraphs recently performed a projection for Peraza based on how past players w/ similar minor league stats have fared in MLB. He projected Peraza at 8.7 WAR through age 28. He also lists multiple player comps based on similar performance at AAA. The two best performers (Alcides Escobar and Adam Kennedy) average about 2 WAR per year.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/projecting-all-the-prospects-in-the-latoswood-trade/
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That's an ugly list. Alcides and his .300 OBP is the best comp? I like Peraza, but I don't see it being the big loss some do. If we didn't have Jace, I might, but Jace can at lest draw a walk.
 
I'm fine with the Wood/Peraza for Olivera trade, even if it is a bit of an overpay, simply because the Braves absolutely need to infuse some offense into the roster.

My confusion comes from Hart saying it's hard to acquire bats (which it is), then come out and say he isn't going to sign any of the available FA bats, and then take on 2 more expensive terrible bats in a trade. The acquisition of Swisher and Bourn pretty much guarantees the Braves can't sign an impact bat this offseason, which is the exact opposite move I'd expect a guy to make after just complaining about how hard bats are to acquire.

This upcoming offseason is the one to make a splash in FA due to the glut of impact pitching and at least a few good offensive options (Heyward, JUp, Ces, Gordon). The next offseason is going to be pretty bad, so even though the Braves will have money to spend, who are they going to spend it on? Seems like a situation ripe for a disasterous overpay.
 
Enscheff said:
I'm fine with the Wood/Peraza for Olivera trade, even if it is a bit of an overpay, simply because the Braves absolutely need to infuse some offense into the roster.

My confusion comes from Hart saying it's hard to acquire bats (which it is), then come out and say he isn't going to sign any of the available FA bats, and then take on 2 more expensive terrible bats in a trade. The acquisition of Swisher and Bourn pretty much guarantees the Braves can't sign an impact bat this offseason, which is the exact opposite move I'd expect a guy to make after just complaining about how hard bats are to acquire.

This upcoming offseason is the one to make a splash in FA due to the glut of impact pitching and at least a few good offensive options (Heyward, JUp, Ces, Gordon). The next offseason is going to be pretty bad, so even though the Braves will have money to spend, who are they going to spend it on? Seems like a situation ripe for a disasterous overpay.
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I don't blame him for avoiding the FA hitters. Over the last 2 years, most of the FA contracts look bad now. You wouldn't want any of the contracts that belong to V-mart, Pablo, Hanley, Choo, Cuddyer, Beltran, Cano, Ellsbury, Granderson, Infante, Loney, Salty, Ruiz, Butler, Melky, or Headley....The only ones who look like they'll be getting fair value are Morales, Cruz, McCann, Peralta, and Tomas.
 
I agree, I don't think it's crazy to not be after Heyward, Upton, or Cespedes. I think they will all get overpaid (with Jason the least likely to be overpaid for the least amount of years).
It's also only August. A lot can change, and I don't think we should believe everything we hear right now.
I'd really be intrigued by Gordon.
 
yeezus said:
I agree, I don't think it's crazy to not be after Heyward, Upton, or Cespedes. I think they will all get overpaid (with Jason the least likely to be overpaid for the least amount of years).
It's also only August. A lot can change, and I don't think we should believe everything we hear right now.
I'd really be intrigued by Gordon.
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I like Gordon a lot. If he signs for 4 years and about 16-17M, I think he'll provide value for his contract. If he gets the 5/100, not so much.
 
Anyway you slice it this trade was bad, but there are moves that can be made in the future to help cover it up. But seeing as how they went about trying to fix third base and improve the offense gives me little confidence of us doing that right.
 
Chico said:
I like Gordon a lot. If he signs for 4 years and about 16-17M, I think he'll provide value for his contract. If he gets the 5/100, not so much.
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I also like Gordon a lot, he'll be a great pick-up wherever he goes unless he gets really overpaid. I just doubt we end up going after him in free agency.
 
yeezus said:
I agree, I don't think it's crazy to not be after Heyward, Upton, or Cespedes. I think they will all get overpaid (with Jason the least likely to be overpaid for the least amount of years).
It's also only August. A lot can change, and I don't think we should believe everything we hear right now.
I'd really be intrigued by Gordon.
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The problem is, there are even fewer bats on the 2017 market. And we are likely going to have to overpay for the kind of bats needed to compete by 2017, either in money, current major league pieces, or prospects. Considering the payroll flexibility we'll have and the window of at least 2-3 years before our best minor league talent is ready, I'd rather overpay in money than either of the other two areas.
 
This is why I think they'll use the trade market and their payroll to take on contracts as opposed to free agency. They keep following that model and so far I think it's working. The next step is combining players and taking on money to get what we need. The one I'm stuck on now is Maybin, Teheran for Montero and Soler.
 
If the plan isn't to sign one of the Big 4 this offseason (Heyward, JUp, Ces and Gordon), then I don't know where the front office thinks they will be able to find much offense by 2017. Carlos Gomez is pretty much the only legit bat I see available in the 2016-2017 offseason, maybe Bruce, but if his $13M option isn't picked up that means he is no longer a legit bat.

I guess they figure there will always be a JUp or Tulo or Braun or Kemp or another expensive bat available for trade when they are ready to add one. That's right around the time the Marlins will be ready to trade Stanton...
 
Gordon is too old to sign now. Hes basically an older version of Heyward. With the way people **** on Heyward, why would you guys want Gordon?
 
ramadon101 said:
Dodgers call up Peraza.
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Surprised to see this. It's not that Peraza isn't worth a look, but Kike Hernandez has played well this year and it looks like they are choosing Peraza over him as the starter at 2B. Maybe they wanted some new blood in the lineup after getting swept.
 
dak said:
Surprised to see this. It's not that Peraza isn't worth a look, but Kike Hernandez has played well this year and it looks like they are choosing Peraza over him as the starter at 2B. Maybe they wanted some new blood in the lineup after getting swept.
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Nevermind, it looks like Hernandez is starting in CF over Pederson (wow). That Hernandez, Barnes deal the the Dodgers struck with the Marlins was an amazing deal. Second only to the Kimbrel deal when looking at transactions in the past year.
 
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