Fast food workers go on strike

AerchAngel said:
It will as with price of eating and purchasing, so you are still back to square one. Companies are going to keep their bottom-line so prices will reflect the increase in wages. And like any capitalist country if you don't like the price increase go elsewhere to by your stuff.

If I am not mistaken only a few countries on this Earth have minimum wages yet we cry the most about it and yet have the power to choose where we spend our money.
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You are, in fact, mistaken.
 
Julio3000 said:
You are, in fact, mistaken.
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you are correct. I meant that pay as much.

I knew when I lived overseas some countries didn't have it, I know Germany doesn't and they have a nice quality of life over there without having minimum wages.

Looking at the chart, only a few countries have higher minimum wages and those countries have a higher cost of living as well.

So if we raise minimum wage the cost of living will go up as well, our history has shown this.
 
weso1 said:
So you are against minimum wage then?
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If am not mistaken, he is for higher minimum wage as well. I think most who in favor would like higher minimum wages without prices going up. Owners are not going to dip in their pocketbooks as they are going to pass on that cost to consumers and if consumers don't like higher prices, they won't shop there, the business will close and more people out of work.
 
Not only does Germany have a superb standard of living (frankly, echelons above our own) but their general workforce is considered highly qualified. Not to rub salt in a long festering wound, but there's also their 5% unemployment and AAA credit rating. But I digress.

Why should an individual who works in the fast food business be entitled to the same minimum wage as a skilled mechanic or other specifically educated professional? That's inane. That's socialism.

Wages should be controlled by industry demand, negotiated by corporations and unions, with scant government interference/oversight.
 
Hawk said:
Not only does Germany have a superb standard of living (frankly, echelons above our own) but their general workforce is considered highly qualified. Not to rub salt in a long festering wound, but there's also their 5% unemployment and AAA credit rating. But I digress.

Why should an individual who works in the fast food business be entitled to the same minimum wage as a skilled mechanic or other specifically educated professional? That's inane. That's socialism.

Wages should be controlled by industry demand, negotiated by corporations and unions, with scant government interference/oversight.
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Preach on, brother!!

Because of the socialism getting out of hand, they cut some of it out before Greece/Spain happen to them. My eldest was born over there with my first wife. I remembered that she had 18 months after birth of full wages just to stay home with the child. Because of the costs they nerfed that a lot. Lot of socialize stuff that happened in the 80's and 90's when I lived in Europe no longer exists because they couldn't afford it. Now, our president want to follow their previous guide lines. You should see the taxes they pay over there, we have a bargain compared to them.
 
weso1 said:
So you are against minimum wage then?
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My feelings on the matter are kinda complex, but what I can't stand is selective enforcement of free market-ism. Either stand by it or don't.

(I largely don't believe in absolute free market capitalism, yet also think the minimum wage is of limited use... go figure)

Like Hawk, I think if you have strong unions, the minimum wage will by and large take care of itself. I'm ok with the concept of a minimum wage to prevent labor abuse, but establishing a very high minimum wage will do more harm than good.
 
Temo said:
My feelings on the matter are kinda complex, but what I can't stand is selective enforcement of free market-ism. Either stand by it or don't.

(I largely don't believe in absolute free market capitalism, yet also think the minimum wage is of limited use... go figure)

Like Hawk, I think if you have strong unions, the minimum wage will by and large take care of itself. I'm ok with the concept of a minimum wage to prevent labor abuse, but establishing a very high minimum wage will do more harm than good.
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Labor abuse went away a long time ago. Last time I heard, if you don't like work conditions, you really don't have to work there. That is how our society is ran. People think that government owes them a job at their pay request under their work conditions. The real world is not like that. You have a choice in this great nation as the owners have a choice on what to pay you and what not, it is up to each individual to take it or leave it. If you don't want to work for the minimum wage set forth by the company find work elsewhere and good luck with it.
 
Labor abuse went away a long time ago.

Hardly.

And yes, if we had Germany's trade unions, co-determination, and German labor law, I'd be content to see direct government interference in labor market be scant. Large German companies are required to have labor representatives on the board of directors—up to 50% of the board under some circumstances.
 
AerchAngel said:
Preach on, brother!!

Because of the socialism getting out of hand, they cut some of it out before Greece/Spain happen to them. My eldest was born over there with my first wife. I remembered that she had 18 months after birth of full wages just to stay home with the child. Because of the costs they nerfed that a lot. Lot of socialize stuff that happened in the 80's and 90's when I lived in Europe no longer exists because they couldn't afford it. Now, our president want to follow their previous guide lines. You should see the taxes they pay over there, we have a bargain compared to them.
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Yeah, they've nerfed the parental leave to something that far exceeds the most feverish aspiration of any American liberal.
 
Julio3000 said:
And yes, if we had Germany's trade unions, co-determination, and German labor law, I'd be content to see direct government interference in labor market be scant. Large German companies are required to have labor representatives on the board of directors—up to 50% of the board under some circumstances.
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Haha. Are Americans not determined enough for you? :winking0016:

The literal entirety of German labor law went into place at the end of WWII. About 150 years after ours began piecing itself together. In that sense, it's the most modern in the first world.
 
Gary82 said:
Have you met an American corporation? These mother****ers would charge you to work for them if they could.
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I agree.

But I can still dream about living in a country that isn't rampantly overrun with socially ignorant, over-entitled, and under-employed twats.
 
Hawk said:
I agree.

But I can still dream about living in a country that isn't rampantly overrun with socially ignorant, over-entitled, and under-employed twats.
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You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one....
 
goldfly said:
good luck to them

an industry i have given up on using cause it is ****ty food that is horrible for you

i don't care what happens to that market

if they can get ore money, so be it

if they get fired, so be it

can't for the life of me figure out who cares about this other than the fat people who will maybe have to pay more for the ****ty food they eat everyday
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I agree with you except....if when their efforts fail and then they have NO job instead of A job, these same people will be protesting the gov't to raise unemployment benefits or similar welfare programs that do impact those of us who pay taxes.
 
AerchAngel said:
Preach on, brother!!

Because of the socialism getting out of hand, they cut some of it out before Greece/Spain happen to them. My eldest was born over there with my first wife. I remembered that she had 18 months after birth of full wages just to stay home with the child. Because of the costs they nerfed that a lot. Lot of socialize stuff that happened in the 80's and 90's when I lived in Europe no longer exists because they couldn't afford it. Now, our president want to follow their previous guide lines. You should see the taxes they pay over there, we have a bargain compared to them.
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Where did you live in Europe?
 
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