Ferguson....

gilesfan said:
The woah is me narrative is comical.

Obv white people never get harassed or shot by cops. I'm sure if white people walk down the middle of street and bad mouth cop, the cop will just drive off.

I mean I should come on here and claim everytime I get pulled over that it's bc I'm white.
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You are not black, we are profiled for a reason. Driving while Black, bring it up on google. Even Black stars get that treatment. You have to establish yourself in community before they leave you alone. My judge friend I go to church with doesn't like it but he said it is inbred for the 98% police force to be suspicious of all blacks because they are black, but he said if any cop harass me, let him know and he would deal with. I told him my neighbor is a city cop and they have both of my vehicles on record not to harass so I have no worries, but what about other blacks in town? I know doctors, professors and what not getting pulled over for DWB.

Basically, if you aren't black, you do not know what we have to go though.

I am fortunate my boss loves me to death and trust me with money, keys to everything and I am the only black in the company, let me repeat ONLY black in the company and only a few that have degrees in my line of work.
 
I think that the admonition to give the officer due process is fair and correct.

Think about this, though. The due process that the cop is going to get is going to be, if it follows the pattern of police shooting investigations of this type, extremely biased towards the shooter. Regardless of what you think you know about what happened to this kid—which amounts to nothing, really, other than that he was shot and killed—you have to concede that this officer will be experiencing an entirely different kind of justice than Mike Brown did. He'll get due process and the presumption of innocence. I don't know how anyone can argue that there's [not, duh] a massive inequity, based on class and race, in how citizens experience the justice system.
 
thethe said:
I still don't understand why you would rush a cop. Doesn't justify this kids death but if there was compliance from the beginning this would not have happened.
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what does Bedell say?

everyone must submit
 
thethe said:
What should have been done considering there was a cop car shot at?
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tear gas was already out before the "cop car was shot"

Vice was there and has the breakdown of it

but hey, good try

and if the cops are declaring war on americans, it seems americans are just enacting their 2nd amendment rights to protect themselves from the gov't

it seems that is something the tea party losers would love but for some reason, these people in Ferguson they aren't trying to help
 
Hawk said:
Okay; but how would you determine instances of racial profiling? Algorithmically?

Doesn't seem feasible.
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That's the tricky part. But I'd guess you could look at a number of factors. Personally I'm all for making cops wear cameras except that it creeps me out in a different way.
 
zitothebrave said:
That's the tricky part. But I'd guess you could look at a number of factors. Personally I'm all for making cops wear cameras except that it creeps me out in a different way.
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Yeah, I could absolutely get behind making wearable cameras, with high quality A/V, standard for ALL law-enforcement officers (not just cops, but officials like TSA agents, federal security agents, border patrol, etc.) Last night, Al-Jazeera highlighted a town in Southern California that made its officers start wearing cameras and saw the number of complaints lodged against the PD drop astronomically (60-70%).

Monitoring LEOs would boost on the job efficiency, safeguard these brave men/women out there protecting our asses, and lock down our own constitutional rights, as citizens, in the face of the bad apples that are undoubtedly on the prowl.

What creeps you out? Big brother recording?
 
What creeps me out is basically that. I wouldn't say big brother watching but we live in a world where you're already watched in many cities. Adding another million or so cameras and put it in the wrong hands and you have something that's a big problem.
 
goldfly said:
a nice place to start would be
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zitothebrave said:
What creeps me out is basically that. I wouldn't say big brother watching but we live in a world where you're already watched in many cities. Adding another million or so cameras and put it in the wrong hands and you have something that's a big problem.
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One would hope that abundantly specific fail-safe measures would be employed to guard access to the footage, but the likelihood is actually seeing the recordings being utilized in some massive facial recognition/behavior monitoring database (see: London Riots 2011). I guess it's accepting the lesser of two evils.
 
zitothebrave said:
Problem is still he used deadly force. Why couldn't he have tazed or maced the kid. Or physically subdued him? Deadly force is supposed to be the last resort.
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In theory.

But, if Brown was indeed 'bumrushing' the cop (as Officer Wilson's friend claims in the article) that doesn't exactly give Wilson much time to decide.

Lot of hearsay here, especially the insinuation of Brown being 'on something' ...
 
Hawk said:
What's the solution to this problem, in your view?
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I will piss off a lot of people both white and black, but starting with partial sterilization (with reverse capabilities) of black youths men and women. When you breed just to breed to get more money from the government creates an environment of entitlement. Not many blacks are like me or my brother or some others. I have family members who abuse this. One of them have 8 kids with 5 different dads, 4 of them are in jail. She doesn't care because the government will take care of her and the kids. Her oldest, bless her is going to the University of Illinois, a very difficult school to get in to, but she got the grades and grants to go and she is not proud of her mom, kind of estranged to be exact.

Secondly, like above, better education, better lock down on making them go to school and have black counselors and black "real" role models to help.

Third, jobs, not the menial crap like hotel janitors or fast food burger, make an effort to bring them into the medical, accounting and IT field and not show it as a glamorous white only club. I did it but I came from Air Traffic Controller to computer programmer, not that I dislike my previous field, I just hated doing radar controlling and the FAA dictate where you work and I didn't feel comfortable in that part of the field.

Lastly, our own kind need to foster the upbringing of our yout, like I and njc have often said. We can only talk so much do so much, but competing against the hip hop world and athletics is very very hard, but we only have ourselves to blame. My role models were white to be honest, because I wanted what they have, money and power. I do not see blacks in that position, only Mr. Johnson at BET, Herman Cain when he was at Godfathers. All others who are rich via hip hop, athletics or acting. These are fields that are by chance, not hard work by using your brain and not your physical skills to make a difference.
 
Hawk said:
In theory.

But, if Brown was indeed 'bumrushing' the cop (as Officer Wilson's friend claims in the article) that doesn't exactly give Wilson much time to decide.

Lot of hearsay here, especially the insinuation of Brown being 'on something' ...
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See, we don't know, we have witnesses saying the same thing and the cop saying something differently hence is why he will probably get off like all cops do when they use excessive force.

Polygraph tests will reveal a lot and should be done but I don't think police officers have to take them if I am not mistaken.

If Brown was on something and rushed an armed cop, I would have shot him to, but I would not chase him down and put several more bullets in him.
 
Hawk said:
In theory.

But, if Brown was indeed 'bumrushing' the cop (as Officer Wilson's friend claims in the article) that doesn't exactly give Wilson much time to decide.

Lot of hearsay here, especially the insinuation of Brown being 'on something' ...
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But they're trained to deal with those situations.
 
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