Ferguson....

Krgrecw said:
AA, said the same **** about how thethe, Giles and my mind are already made up. That could be that we were correct from day one and have nothing to question.
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There's nothing out there evidence wise to paint one side or the other as correct. The only evidence we have out there is that MILITARIZED POLICE ARE ROAMING THE STREETS. Though everyone is seemingly cool with that, as long as they don't interupt their game of thrones marathon.
 
zitothebrave said:
And bullets are pretty small to. ANd cops usually are pretty decent shots. The point is that it can happen that way. You said above he was NOT shot in the back. True he wasn't shot in his actual section of the body that was his back, but if he was shot in his arm it's easy to see how an eyewitness can miss that. But cannot say with 100% certainly that he was not shot from behind. Because you have no evidence to back that up yet. That evidence may exist but it's not available to you and I.[/QUOTE]

Luckily, there are experts that have released that info.
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zitothebrave said:
And bullets are pretty small to. ANd cops usually are pretty decent shots. The point is that it can happen that way. You said above he was NOT shot in the back. True he wasn't shot in his actual section of the body that was his back, but if he was shot in his arm it's easy to see how an eyewitness can miss that. But cannot say with 100% certainly that he was not shot from behind. Because you have no evidence to back that up yet. That evidence may exist but it's not available to you and I.
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No, you are trying to create a near impossible scenario to discount OVERWHELMING evidence that he was not shot in the back. If you want to hold onto some sort of sliver of hope so that you don't look completely foolish for your initial stance then I don't blame you. You will just happen to be wrong.
 
gilesfan said:
Did you see the video where the witness said that Brown kept charging as he was getting shot and that he believed Brown must have been on something? (which is the same version from the cops friend) I believe they have said 4 of the shots were in the arm, correct? He has every right to use deadly force when his life is threatened. Hopefully, better means are developed so that isn't the case in the future, but the bottom line was Brown was at fault. No one can blame anyone but him.

What threat to society could Brown have caused in the future, particularly if he was able to wrestle the gun away from the cop?
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Who knows what nefarious acts he committed prior to his death.
 
zitothebrave said:
There's nothing out there evidence wise to paint one side or the other as correct. The only evidence we have out there is that MILITARIZED POLICE ARE ROAMING THE STREETS. Though everyone is seemingly cool with that, as long as they don't interupt their game of thrones marathon.
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The autopsy isn't evidence?
 
thethe said:
No, you are trying to create a near impossible scenario to discount OVERWHELMING evidence that he was not shot in the back. If you want to hold onto some sort of sliver of hope so that you don't look completely foolish for your initial stance then I don't blame you. You will just happen to be wrong.
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Overwhelming evidence that's released to the public does not equal was "NOT". I'm not saying anything as far as the shooting has gone. In fact I don't believe I've made a firm point yet in this whole thread. Except for that what police are doing is appalling.
 
thethe said:
Why should an officer even be put into that situation when doing a routine stop?
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It's always "just a routine stop"; it's never profiling.

It's always the black youth who's "asking for it"; it's never the officer who is overly-aggressive or initiates the physical confrontation.

It's always the black man who is scary and threatening; it's never police who are menacing the citizen.

It's always the right of the cop to protect his life; it's never the prerogative of the suspect—and at that such a time, that's all they are, because cops are neither judges nor juries—to protect theirs.
 
jpx7 said:
It's always "just a routine stop"; it's never profiling.

It's always the black youth who's "asking for it"; it's never the officer who is overly-aggressive or initiates the physical confrontation.

It's always the black man who is scary and threatening; it's never police who are menacing the citizen.

It's always the right of the cop to protect his life; it's never the prerogative of the suspect—and at that such a time, that's all they are, because cops are neither judges nor juries—to protect theirs.
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Do you think Brown did anything wrong at all?
 
thethe said:
Who knows what nefarious acts he committed prior to his death.
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So suddenly a grainy video that purports to show Brown stealing some cigarillos, and circumstantial evidence that he may have had a physical confrontation with a police officer, is sufficient for this sort of inane, fear-mongering speculation.

I can play too: Who knows how many other black eighteen-year-olds Darren Wilson might have gunned down that we just don't know about yet?!?!
 
thethe said:
Do you think Brown did anything wrong at all?
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You guys really hate reading what's written, don't you?

Look back through this thread: I've not said one party is faultless, or another party is entirely to blame.

This is a systemic issue, and it's very real, and it's very oppressive; and focusing on a pack of cigars or a bullet trajectory or pinning all the culpability on one single party or another distracts from that. But I begin to believe that's what some of you guys actually want.
 
jpx7 said:
So suddenly a grainy video that purports to show Brown stealing some cigarillos, and circumstantial evidence that he may have had a physical confrontation with a police officer, is sufficient for this sort of inane, fear-mongering speculation.

I can play too: Who knows how many other black eighteen-year-olds Darren Wilson might have gunned down that we just don't know about yet?!?!
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Because there is no evidence to suggest that Wilson wrongfully gunned down a black man as of yet.

What we do have is evidence of Brown robbing a convenience store.
 
jpx7 said:
It's always "just a routine stop"; it's never profiling.

It's always the black youth who's "asking for it"; it's never the officer who is overly-aggressive or initiates the physical confrontation.

It's always the black man who is scary and threatening; it's never police who are menacing the citizen.

It's always the right of the cop to protect his life; it's never the prerogative of the suspect—and at that such a time, that's all they are, because cops are neither judges nor juries—to protect theirs.
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Have you ever heard someone say that they were not bad cops out there? There are bad people in any profession.

Cops have a job that obviously no one in this thread would want to do and that's to put their life on the line every single day. People seem to take that for granted and focus on a small percentage of the profession. Not only that but in any situation like this they are quick to jump on the cob and put responsibility on the cop. Even when there is overwhelming evidence they refuse to admit that they were wrong in their initial blame of the cop.

Even in this instance you have a cop they got the **** beat out of them by a 300 pound man and people are questioning why he defended himself. This criminals life is no more valuable than the cops life.

The only reason this is even a story is because it's a black kid and a white officer. Would there be riots if the reverse was true?
 
jpx7 said:
You guys really hate reading what's written, don't you?
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All I read from you is deflecting the issue to something thats much braoder in this country. There is a time and place to discuss that. For now we are trying to determine whether or not the officer was right in his use of force. There is absolutely no reason that Brown should have no been compliant when he was stopped. That is why we are where we are today. If he complied like he was supposed to then he would still be alive today.
 
jpx7 said:
So suddenly a grainy video that purports to show Brown stealing some cigarillos, and circumstantial evidence that he may have had a physical confrontation with a police officer, is sufficient for this sort of inane, fear-mongering speculation.

I can play too: Who knows how many other black eighteen-year-olds Darren Wilson might have gunned down that we just don't know about yet?!?!
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You mean the video where u see everything?
 
gilesfan said:
and put responsibility on the cop. Even when there is overwhelming evidence they refuse to admit that they were wrong in their initial blame of the cop.
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They should be held more accountable; they should be held to a higher standard than ordinary citizens. Power/responsibility dynamic.

thethe said:
If he complied like he was supposed to then he would still be alive today.
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So that's your answer: just comply more. Comply better. Always be complying.

It doesn't matter that you've maybe grown up in a social and institutional climate that has engendered in you the notion that you're criminal until proven "one of the good ones," that you have fewer rights or that they're more precarious because of your skin color, that you're targeted and seen as "enemy," less likely to be afforded any benefit of doubt. That you—inherently, instinctively, and through no fault of your own but merely by dint of birth—won't be trusted by authority, so why should you trust authority?

You personally have even less clue about what was going on in that kid's head than you do about what he did preceding or during the altercation that got him killed, but yet you're certain that he's a nefarious, no-good thug who'd only have gone on to do more harm, while his killer is entirely blameless in the incident.

Yet I'm the one blinded by ideology, married to conclusions, and unable to see reason.
 
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