Ferguson....

If Wilson had wiated for backup, would Brown be alive today?

And no that's not what real racists are. Real racists see people acknowledging racial differences and thinks that's BS.

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Wilson isn't required to ask for backup. He did nothing wrong. The blame is on the person doing wrong.
 
No white people commit way more crimes. Becaese we're way larger of a portion of th epopulation.

And even ignoring that, no. Kids in my highschool threw parties all the times the cops busted up and nothing happened, I'm guessing that's not the same thing that happens to intercity kids. I know way more white people who do illegal drugs than black people.

U know as many lack people as white people? What percentage does your sample account for?
 
U know as many lack people as white people? What percentage does your sample account for?

100% of the black and white people I know. I'm talking as an overall percentage. Is it a perfect sample? No. But every white person I know is some kind of criminal. Usually white collar though.
 
Benjamin Watson's commnets - excellent:

At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:

I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.

I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.

I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.

I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.

I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn.

BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel.

So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope.
 
Voddie Baucham:

...The Plight of Black Men

Rest assured, I do believe there are systemic issues plaguing black men. These issues are violence, criminality, and immorality, to name a few. And all of these issues are rooted in and connected to the epidemic of fatherlessness. Any truly gospel-centered response to the plight of black men must address these issues first and foremost. It does no good to change the way white police officers respond to black men if we don’t first address the fact that these men’s fathers have not responded to them appropriately.

There is indeed an epidemic of violence against black men. However, that violence, more often than not, occurs at the hands of other black men. In fact, black men are several times more likely to be murdered at the hands of another black man than they are to be killed by the police. For instance, in the FBI homicide stats from 2012, there were 2,648 blacks murdered. Of those, 2,412 were murdered by members of their own ethnic group. Thus, if I am going to speak out about anything, it will be black-on-black crime; not blue-on-black. I want to apply the gospel and its implications in a way that addresses the real issue. If a few black men being killed by cops requires a national “dialogue,” what in the world does the overwhelming number of black-on-black murders require? If the police do not see black men through the proper gospel-centered, image-of-God lens, what does the black-on-black murder rate say about the way we see ourselves?

In addition to violence, black men are plagued with criminality. Low-income black communities like Ferguson know all too well that black criminals preying on their neighbors makes life almost unlivable. Growing up in South Central Los Angeles, I know all too well what it’s like to have bars on the windows and doors for fear that thugs will break in to steal or kill. I remember being robbed at gunpoint on my way home from the store one day. It was one of the most frightening and disheartening events of my life. The fear, helplessness, and anger I felt stayed with me for years. And it taught me an unfortunate lesson: the greatest threat to me was other black men.

The underlying malady that gives rise to all the rest of these epidemics is immorality and fatherlessness. We know that fatherlessness is the number one indicator of future violence, dropout rates, out-of-wedlock births, and future incarceration. And in the black community, more than 70 percent of all children are born out of wedlock! Fatherlessness is the bane of the black community.

Nor is this plague forced on us. It is as common as morning dew, and as overlooked as dust under a refrigerator. Where are the marches against this travesty? Where are the protestors who demand better? Where are the black “leaders” who . . . oh, that’s right, they have just as many illegitimate children as anyone else. Again, it is common knowledge that this is the most immediate root cause of the ills plaguing black Americans.

But What About Racism?

I have been pulled over by police for no apparent reason. In fact, it has happened on more than one occasion. I was stopped in Westwood while walking with a friend of mine who was a student at UCLA. We found ourselves lying face down on the sidewalk while officers questioned us. On another occasion, I was stopped while with my uncle. I remember his visceral response as he looked at me and my cousin (his son). The look in his eye was one of humiliation and anger. He looked at the officer and said, “My brother and I didn’t fight in Vietnam so you could treat me like this in front of my son and my nephew.”

Again, this experience stayed with me for years. And for many of those years, I blamed “the system” or “the man.” However, I have come to realize that it was no more “the system” when white cops pulled me over than it was “the system” when a black thug robbed me at gunpoint. It was sin! The men who robbed me were sinners. The cops who stopped me were sinners. They were not taking their cues from some script designed to “keep me down.” They were simply men who didn’t understand what it meant to treat others with the dignity and respect they deserve as image bearers of God.

It does me absolutely no good to assume that my mistreatment was systemic in nature. No more than it is good for me to assume that what happened in Ferguson was systemic. I have a life to live, and I refuse to live it fighting ghosts. I will not waste my energy trying to prove the Gramscian, neo-Marxist concept of “white privilege” or prejudice in policing practices.

I don’t care what advantages my white neighbor may or may not have. If he does have advantages, God bless him! I no more fault him than I fault my own children who have tremendous advantages due to the fact that they were raised by two educated, Christian parents who loved, disciplined, and taught them. Ironically, when I think about THAT advantage, I am filled with joy and gratitude to God for his faithfulness. People are supposed to bequeath an advantage to their children and grandchildren (Prov. 13:22). Why, then, would I be angry with my white neighbor for any advantage he is purported to have? And what good would it do? How does that advance the gospel? Especially in light of the fact that growing up with the gospel is the ultimate privilege/advantage! It is the advantage that has granted us all “American privilege”! Are we guilty for being citizens of the wealthiest republic in the history of the world? I think not!

As a father of seven black men, I tell them to be aware of the fact that there may be times when they may get a closer look, an unwelcome stop, or worse. However, I do not tell them that this means they need to live with a chip on their shoulder, or that the world is out to get them. I certainly don’t tell them that they need to go out and riot (especially when that involves destroying black-owned businesses). I tell them that there are people in the world who need to get to know black people as opposed to just knowing “about” us. I tell them that they will do far more good interacting with those people and shining the light of Christ than they will carrying picket signs. I tell them, “Never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay'” (Rom. 12:19). And I tell them that there are worse things than suffering injustice. That is why we must heed Peter’s words:

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil. (1 Pet. 3:15–17)

In the end, the best lesson my children can learn from Ferguson is not that they need to be on the lookout for white cops. It is far more important that I use this teachable moment to remind them that “God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap” (Gal. 6:7). Moments before his death, Michael Brown had violently robbed a man in a store. A man doing the best he could to make a living. Minutes later, Brown reaped what he sowed, and was gunned down in the street. That is the sad truth.

My sons have far more to fear from making bad choices than they have to fear from the police. The overwhelming majority of police officers are decent people just trying to make a living. They are much more likely to help you than to harm you. A life of thuggery, however, is NEVER your friend. In the end, it will cost you . . . sometimes, it costs you everything.
 
Do u guys think white people and black people commit the same amount of crimes? Honest question.
If you actually counted all crime, I think white people commit way more. But that would mean you'd have to count all those women Bill Cosby raped and that would make it pretty close.
 
I would assume that giles is asking about pre capita figures.

I know. White people commit crimes of various nature. If you were to say violent crimes then amybe you'd be at a skewed stat. That being said those are still arrest based stats, not what happens. There are several illegal things I've done and will do that I could go to jail for but haven't yet.
 
It doesn't do any good, imho, to ignore the higher crime rates (for violent crimes) of the African-American population. Better to admit them and have a national discussion about ways to aim to decrease them.

The Voddie Baucham piece above is worth considering.
 
It doesn't do any good, imho, to ignore the higher crime rates (for violent crimes) of the African-American population. Better to admit them and have a national discussion about ways to aim to decrease them.

The Voddie Baucham piece above is worth considering.

I don't think I ignored it. Violent crime and crime are 2 different things. Giles talked about crime.
 
I am not going to stretch the page with Bedells' post.

It sums up what I have been saying.

I am the bridge, but some whites want to push me to our aggressive side (Thethe, Gilesfan) and so of the libs (57, Zito) want to push me to the other.

I am doing my part in educating blacks in being responsible but the media does not want that. How can I combat that? Bill Cosby, guilty as hell, preach responsibility and do this schit? I can't rely on that. Dr. Carson, Col West, Mr. Scott, only blacks we can look up to, that is only THREE. I am a nobody programmer that my company rely on, I can't preach to blacks with my degrees and job.
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Thethe, Kr and Gilesfan already marked us as thugs when we are born because we are black and that is what we are taught. My dad worked for the Guvment for 35 years until retirement, my mom worked as a teacher then a DEAN for 20 years and retired and yes, 50 years and married with 4 children. My brother is a CEO for a Fortune 15 company. No, I refuse to work for him as my sisters in nepotism, we make our own path in life, not let the man (WHITE) have an excuse we cheated. You know who said to now use this system, MY DAD.

None of my immediate family and especially on my dad side, all bible thumpers to the extreme, still trying to figure out why they vote Dem even though they hate al their policies, but they all have degrees and good jobs and want to uplift the black community but still have issues.

This has bother me for years and I have told them maybe clinging to the Democrat philosophy is not a good thing. They see us as thugs and profit on it and want you to continue that path.

Make no mistake Thethe cross the line and he does not get it. If a black thug does something like petty larceny, he would shoot to kill, but if a white man at a bar get drunk get in a car and run over a person and a cop kills him and the cop shoot him, he would defend the drunk because he used bad judgement (a thug, by definition is a murderer who does not think). That is what I am saying.
 
AA, you know the key words of your post are: "My Dad." Dads can be such great, great blessings.

Don't get me wrong, we still beat him up about unions. All 4 of us gang on him about it, but he was a guv worker and my mom a teacher so we know where they are coming from, BUT they do agree that union is wrong in certain areas like keeping bad workers and force paying dues, but my parents are ultimate bible thumpers in regards to marriage and abortion, but I ask, why vote Dem when their platform is predicated on this? They said, the Repubs wouldn't allow civil rights, but when I said the Dems were against it the most, they come back and said a Dem president passed it. So that is the issue with blacks. Repubs were for it, Dems against but the president was Dem passed it, now we still have this problem and the Dems benefit from it.

We are all thugs by birth according to Thethe, KR and Gilesfan and don't know better.

My brother offer to pay me 3 times my salary now to work with him and I refuse and when he asked why, I said that dad would not like this, nor my wife, nor my wife family but they respect that he ask. I make my own path in life, like my sisters. My brother will be there if I need money (LOL, we make plenty) but I know he will be there and that is more important.
 
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