Ferguson....

Zito, you really have to quit blaming the cop and come to grips that Brown was a piece of crap who attacked the cop and went for his gun.

The back up was on its way all along.
 
Krgrecw said:
Zito, you really have to quit blaming the cop and come to grips that Brown was a piece of crap who attacked the cop and went for his gun.

The back up was on its way all along.
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Brown was 100% in the wrong for assaulting a cop unless the cop started it which we have no evidence of so I won't assume happene,d but hell it could have. Wilson brought the gun into the conversation. The description I was painted was he was punching wilson then reached for his holstered weapon, not what Wilson testified which was he pulled the gun, meaning he went from 0-60 and to me that's not what he should have done. Maybe he should have slammed on reverse and cleared himself of Brown before assessing what to do next, or any number of other things aside from pulling his gun. Should Bronw have been arrested for assaulting a cop, yes, should Brown have had a gun pulled on him for assaulting a cop? Well I'm not an expert but my hunch is no.
 
Krgrecw said:
Zito what statistics can you show that support your views about the criminal justice system are skewed against black people?

I'm a statisical guy. I want the cold hard facts
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You're joking right?

If I recall correctly, I outline the stats very early in this thread
 
wtf?

A 300lb guy with rage assaults a cop but you don't think the cop has a right to pull his gun out to defend himself?
 
 
sturg33 said:
"Blacks comprise 13 percent of the U.S. population, and are consistently documented by the U.S. government to use drugs at similar rates to people of other races. But blacks comprise nearly one-third (31 percent) of those arrested for drug law violations.

Widely adopted in the 1980s and ‘90s, mandatory minimum sentencing laws have contributed greatly to the number of people of color behind bars. A recent study found that prosecutors are twice as likely to pursue a mandatory minimum sentence for blacks as for whites charged with the same offense."

Link
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Krgrecw said:
Zito, you really have to quit blaming the cop and come to grips that Brown was a piece of crap who attacked the cop and went for his gun.

The back up was on its way all along.
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Police procedures are different in regards to location. Here in Wisconsin, if the perp is in view and in no means can get out of your view, you stay until backup arrives, that is the rules here and in Iowa as well. Like Wilson said, he had to get out just in case they ran. I can't fault him for defending himself, never stated so, I just wish he stayed until backup came and this would have all been avoided and Brown would be in jail now instead of worm food. That is the only thing I stated on this case.

But the racist remarks are getting out of hand in here, subliminal they are, but they have been posted.

I guess white Americans still have that stigma as seeing us inferior due to a lot of bad apples from the tree they put in the ground.
 
AA, those are left leaning sites with agendas. I meant the data on the fbi site which isn't optimized for mobile viewing. The hard statistics with no opinions.

If you say Justin upton hit .265 last year, he hit .265. But once you get into the 'he was pitched around so he didn't get that many pitches to hit, and he was rumored to have a bad wrist so that could have had an negative effect in his Avg' Once you go there peoples agendas come out and they twists and manipulate the facts into other things
 
Krgrecw said:
AA, those are left leaning sites with agendas. I meant the data on the fbi site which isn't optimized for mobile viewing. The hard statistics with no opinions.

If you say Justin upton hit .265 last year, he hit .265. But once you get into the 'he was pitched around so he didn't get that many pitches to hit, and he was rumored to have a bad wrist so that could have had an negative effect in his Avg' Once you go there peoples agendas come out and they twists and manipulate the facts into other things
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"Blacks comprise 13 percent of the U.S. population, and are consistently documented by the U.S. government to use drugs at similar rates to people of other races. But blacks comprise nearly one-third (31 percent) of those arrested for drug law violations.

Widely adopted in the 1980s and ‘90s, mandatory minimum sentencing laws have contributed greatly to the number of people of color behind bars. A recent study found that prosecutors are twice as likely to pursue a mandatory minimum sentence for blacks as for whites charged with the same offense."

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I can't seem to link back and quote Sturg.

Do the people being charged have any past convictions? What drugs did they have? Were there any guns involved?

That article brings up none of that. It just summed all drugs up as the same with no respect to anything else

If you think about it, as weed becomes decriminalized less whites will actually go to jail for simple possession and the gap of the percentage of blacks and whites in jail for drugs will actually increase
 
Krgrecw said:
I can't seem to link back and quote Sturg.

Do the people being charged have any past convictions? What drugs did they have? Were there any guns involved?

That article brings up none of that. It just summed all drugs up as the same with no respect to anything else

If you think about it, as weed becomes decriminalized less whites will actually go to jail for simple possession and the gap of the percentage of blacks and whites in jail for drugs will actually increase
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That's just rich.

It goes to show how ignorant you actually are

Compared to Non-blacks, California’s African-American population are 4 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana, 12 times more likely to be imprisoned for a marijuana felony arrest, and 3 times more likely to be imprisoned per marijuana possession arrest. Overall, as Figure 3 illustrates, these disparities accumulate to 10 times’ greater odds of an African-American being imprisoned for marijuana than other racial/ethnic groups." - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Race_and_Prison#sthash.AfYqLr37.dpuf
 
Actually I was responding to the one where the drug crimes would drastically swing is pot was legalized despite a california study that proves the exact opposite.
 
Old read, but interesting

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...-what-was-wrong-with-the-ferguson-grand-jury/

"It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880). As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented."

"What McCulloch didn’t say is that he was under no obligation to present such evidence to the grand jury. The only reason one would present such evidence is to reduce the chances that the grand jury would indict Darren Wilson."

Can you at least admit thethe, gf, and krg that the prosecutor did a terrible job and should be reprimanded for basically being the defense attorney for the cop, not serving the state?
 
goldfly said:
he is replying to this stupid post:
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I know what he is doing. Just want to make sure this doesn't cloud the real discussion in this thread. What happened in Fergueson wasn't a racial issue until after Brown was dead.

I need more time to read what you just posted above to respond to you Zito.
 
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