Flint, Mich

Julio3000 said:
There's a pretty substantial building boom (bubble?) going on in my community...housing and CRE. There have been a couple of articles in local media over the last year or so about the lack of skilled-trade labor (carpenters, plumbers, etc.) available to support the construction boom. This is, it should be noted, in a very conservative Southern town with a lot of loud (if narrow) anti-immigrant sentiment. I'm not trying to make a particular political point with this, just noting that where I live there is a net demand for labor in that exact category.
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That may be the case but I'd rather legal citizens get these jobs over illegals. It may take time for the market to catch up but if the demand is there jobs will be filled eventually.
 
why would you think building trade jobs could be filled over night?
Many of those positions take years of apprenticeships and training.

Who will train electricians,brick layers and plumbers ?

Many of the people Trumpwishes to deport come to USA after working those jobs for years.
And, willing to work 16 hours a day 7 days a week
 
57Brave said:
why would you think building trade jobs could be filled over night?

Many of those positions take years of apprenticeships and training.

Who will train electricians,brick layers and plumbers ?

Many of the people Trumpwishes to deport come to USA after working those jobs for years.

And, willing to work 16 hours a day 7 days a week
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Then labor will be filled one way or another. I'd rather legal citizens get the benefit as opposed those that are breaking the law.
 
of course, or are you playing mister obvious today.

We do not have skilled craftsmen to fulfill the infrastructure upgrade promises made

We do not have the numbers to pick all of the fruit that will go bad in the fields

This is not a good idea.
On any level outside of scapegoating
 
Geting back on topic.

Do we have the pipe fitters required to re-do the worn out pipes in inner cities ?
WE don't have unions to oversee Apprentice, Journeyman programs that have been the training for generations of trade workers
Hooray -- we've eliminated the unions
How short sighted your school of thought is
 
zitothebrave said:
So you disproved my information by confirming?

8 times as many undocumented as US born farmers and about twice as many in service (restaurant) Which again, have you ever worked in the industry? Because they're doing the jobs that most don't really want to do in that industry.
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Hint: Trendline

And no thanks on the anecdotal contribution.
 
Hawk said:
Hint: Trendline

And no thanks on the anecdotal contribution.
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The trend is that illegals are doing different menial entry level jobs that almost no US citizen really wants to do? At least really doesn't want to do for a short period of time?

I'm sorry, but the facts are the facts, illegals are a problem, but banning them isn't the solution. An easier path to citizenship to get them to pay taxes is the solution. Or if you want to ban illegals punish people who hire illegals. Nothing will stop them if they just get a slap on the wrist and their help gets deported which they can replace with someone else.
 
I'm just not sure why the comprehensive immigration reform knocked down by House republicans in the last congress isn't a better solution.
 
zitothebrave said:
The trend is that illegals are doing different menial entry level jobs that almost no US citizen really wants to do? At least really doesn't want to do for a short period of time?
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Again, this argument is over a decade old. Repeating it over and over again (while referencing the Mexican dishwashers you know) doesn't make it any less stale, outdated, or culturally ignorant.

Do FOB illegals often settle for undesirable jobs that are tantamount to slave labor? Yes.
Do they continue working these jobs for extended periods of time? No.
Do they have families? Children? Yes.
Are they also part of the illegal workforce? Yes.
Did you read past the first sentence of the study I linked? No.
Are you blindly ignoring the evolution of the immigrant community at-large over the past 10 years? Yes.

I'm sorry, but the facts are the facts, illegals are a problem, but banning them isn't the solution. An easier path to citizenship to get them to pay taxes is the solution. Or if you want to ban illegals punish people who hire illegals. Nothing will stop them if they just get a slap on the wrist and their help gets deported which they can replace with someone else.
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Ok. Sure. Your non-existent facts are 'the facts' ... so I'll refrain from saying anything about how utterly one dimensional your viewpoint here is.
 
I'm sorry but I personally know no illegals who have jobs beyond the menial. I'm sure there are some, but I'm guessing it's a small percentage.

And it's not the last decade, immigrants have been doing ****ty work for pretty much the entirety of the US. Who built the railroads? Who worked the ****ty factory conditions of early industrial revolution? Etc.
 
thethe said:
Haha...too much.

I'm sure this sample population is tremendous.
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It's not. But considering I've personally known hung around in a healthy chunk of management circles in my day. I figure if illegals were prominently getting up the ladder, I'd have met one.
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ergency-in-flint-mich/?utm_term=.5fb71272a987
 
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