Freedom of speech, huh?
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AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
You're reaching.
Never heard of this rapper. He must have done something to someone to even drum up stuff like this.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
If it has to do with a black person kgrecw is against said black person, no matter what.
If it's a white person's "injustice" (Duck ****ing dynasty dumbass) he's a staunch supporter of that poor good ole' white soul.
No connection with any crime, but rapped about it, so he's going to jail? If you don't find that absolutely retarded you're either a complete moron, a racist, or both.
If it's a white person's "injustice" (Duck ****ing dynasty dumbass) he's a staunch supporter of that poor good ole' white soul.
No connection with any crime, but rapped about it, so he's going to jail? If you don't find that absolutely retarded you're either a complete moron, a racist, or both.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
AA, San Diego has horrible gang violence. like one out of every three major crimes in the city is gang related. So it sounds like to me that the City is trying to destroy anything gang related. Which I would think we'd all want except for the race batters. This rapper is rapping about a certain gang, name dropping people in the gang and glorifying what the gang does. By the definition of the California Gang Act and even the Son of Sam act, the DA can go after this guy for being an accessory to the gang.
That's all in print if one chooses to read it. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is connected to the gang but the DA couldn't get anything concrete so they went this route.
That's all in print if one chooses to read it. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is connected to the gang but the DA couldn't get anything concrete so they went this route.
sturg33
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How does limiting one's speech, not have anything to do with freedom of speech? I get a little tired of the neocons constant desire to strip any basic freedom they can get away from folks.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
This particular law is stupid, but it's not a freedom a speech issue. He is being charged under this law due to allegedly making money off gang violence. The issue is that he is making a profit from gang violence.
It's a stupid law regardless.
NinersSBChamps
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br> 2015 (Co-Winner)</BR>20
One of the most liberal states in the country. Is it really a surprise.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
You're entirely missing the point. He can Rap about whatever he wants. What makes what he did "illegal" is making money off it. Making money is what was unlawful, not actually what he rapped about. And as I said, it is a dumb law. It should be unconstitutional. In this particular case, there is no way this should hold up in a court of law. But freedom of speech was not the issue, imo.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
So if no one bought his album or whatever, he wouldn't be arrested?
Carp, thanks for actually reading up and understanding the charge.
There's no limiting of a guy's speech going on, it's not allowing someone to publicly promote Gang violence. It's the last part of 'particapting in a Gang':
1. The Legal Definition of the Crime of "Participation in a Gang"
(Penal Code 186.22(a) PC)
Penal Code 186.22(a) PC sets out the legal definition of the California crime of "participation in a gang."6
In order to convict you of the offense of "participation in a street gang" under the STEP Act, a California prosecutor must prove the following three facts (otherwise known as "elements of the crime"):
You "actively participated" in a criminal street gang;
You knew that the gang's members engaged in a pattern of criminal gang activity; AND
You willfully assisted, furthered, or promoted felonious (felony) criminal conduct by gang members.7
There's no limiting of a guy's speech going on, it's not allowing someone to publicly promote Gang violence. It's the last part of 'particapting in a Gang':
1. The Legal Definition of the Crime of "Participation in a Gang"
(Penal Code 186.22(a) PC)
Penal Code 186.22(a) PC sets out the legal definition of the California crime of "participation in a gang."6
In order to convict you of the offense of "participation in a street gang" under the STEP Act, a California prosecutor must prove the following three facts (otherwise known as "elements of the crime"):
You "actively participated" in a criminal street gang;
You knew that the gang's members engaged in a pattern of criminal gang activity; AND
You willfully assisted, furthered, or promoted felonious (felony) criminal conduct by gang members.7
According to the law of which they charged with, that would be correct.
Oh I'm not saying I agree with it. It's extremely BS what they are attempting to charge him with.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You're both so wrong it's sad. What's sad is krg was probably saying Duck Dynasty dad was first Amendment when it wasn't.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
This law is prohibiting free speech as a rapper can't say what he wants to say in his raps. News papers make money reporting rap violence, let's criminally charge them!!!
According to that law, Martin Scorsese should be in jail, Brian De Palma should be in jail, Bobby Deniro should be in jail, and everyone tied to Boardwalk empires as they're promoting felonious conduct by gang members. Or are gangs only ran by black people?
Law as it's being enforced is a first amendment issue, he's not allowed to say what he want.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
This law is prohibiting free speech as a rapper can't say what he wants to say in his raps. News papers make money reporting rap violence, let's criminally charge them!!!
According to that law, Martin Scorsese should be in jail, Brian De Palma should be in jail, Bobby Deniro should be in jail, and everyone tied to Boardwalk empires as they're promoting felonious conduct by gang members. Or are gangs only ran by black people?
Law as it's being enforced is a first amendment issue, he's not allowed to say what he want.
acesfull86
Well-known member
Whether or not it's a 1A issue, the law is just stupid.