Garcia being traded to Twins

[msstate7]

Ynoa is #29 on BA's Twins prospect list. Burdi is #15.

Rhett Bollinger‏ @RhettBollinger

Twins acquire Jaime Garcia & Anthony Recker from ATL. Deal originally for Nick Burdi but after issue with medicals they traded Huascar Ynoa

Believe I would rather have Burdi. This guy doesn't crack the Braves top 40

Obviously our scouts rank them differently. Guess we'll see which ones are right

 

[JxnMissFan]

Is this Ynoa guy as good as the junk we gave up to get Garcia?

 

[50PoundHead]

Ynoa was BA's 14th ranked international player in 2014 and signed with the Twins for $800,000.

Here's the mlb.com snippet from when he signed: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/82154470/twins-lock-up-pitching-prospect-huascar-ynoa/

Sickels has him ranked as Twins' 14-best prospect coming into 2017. What Sickels writes: 14) Huascar Ynoa, RHP, Grade C+/B-: Signed for $800,000 in 2014; posted 3.18 ERA in 51 innings in rookie ball with 51/12 K/BB; made huge progress with command after having some problems with that in the Dominican Summer League in 2015; brother Michael Ynoa pitches in Chicago White Sox organization; fastball in 90-95 range but could get consistently into mid-90s as he matures; both curveball and changeup have plus potential; needs to build up workload but a very high ceiling and could be top pitcher on this list a year from now. Age 18, ETA: 2021.



As per the Ynoa/Burdi comparison, Ynoa is 19 and Burdi is 24. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but Burdi's probably 26 before he would pitch in the big leagues seeing he's recovering from TJS. I can see both sides. I think Ynoa has a higher ceiling that anything we traded to get Garica, but it's always difficult to gauge the chances of a 19-year-old.

 

[zbhargrove]

Odd return.. I think I would rather have a hurt Burdi..

I had the same impression until I read more about this guy.

 

[Enscheff]

Fake news... enscheff said a good outing last night doesn't help

It's simple economics. He pitches better (like he's done the last 2 starts against really good teams) and his value increases. More teams will want him, thus his value increases. It's really simple.

Who said "skyrocketed"?

If more teams now want Garcia, then Garcia's stock has risen.

You're a moron. His value increases every time someone else calls the Braves. The more interest, the better the return. Are you really this dense?

If teams are calling today that weren't yesterday, then Garcia's stock has risen. No one has said he's all-the-sudden gonna pull us a great prospect. If we now have choices that we didn't have yesterday, then starting him last night was obviously a good thing

There are 8 teams "calling the Braves" on Garcia. That's a helluva lot better than 1. How do you not understand this? If there's only one team, they have you by the balls. The more interest, the better the return. Jesus man. Just quit arguing for the sake of arguing.

Is the argument that additional demand for the same product doesn't impact price?

We get a better prospect or at least one we like better than the twins' offer

My prediction is irrelevant in the argument. As an economic principle do you believe demand has no impact on price?

I have no clue. I don't study other teams prospects. I don't think we are going to get a future star, but seriously how do you not understand how things work?

How good a prospect is is entirely subjective.

There's not many SP's out there actually.

At least none that will cost what Garcia will.

Note, im not saying we'll break apart someones farm but last nights start can only help the return for Garcia.

You made the argument that increased demand does impact price unless additonal supply offsets it.

Then you agreed the demand has increased for Garcia based on believing reports but st star that doesn't necessarily increase Garcia value. Based on your previous comment that would lead me to believe you think the supply has ibcreased.

So who else was made avaliable because if it's nobody else then based on your logic Garcias value has increased.

It's mind bottling someone is trying argue increased demand isn't a good thing

So his value isn't increased AT ALL by 8 teams wanting him now instead of 1?

Please don't ban Enscheff. He doesn't understand economics but I find him highly informative and entertaining otherwise.

And there is only one Jaime Garcia on the market. So you may view him equal to all the other middling pitchers available. But there may be a GM who identifies Garcia as the guy he wants. If so, there's only one of him he can get.

GMs are people. People who think differently, have different opinions, and so forth.

I dont know what Garcia brings back but teams often get desperate at the deadline.

Not saying Garcia brings back Gleyber Torres or anything but GM's will overpay to secure someone if they have to. Especially around the deadline if they feel it's the missing piece to their club.

You guys were saying?

The latest installment of "Pozzies Know Nothing" haha.

 

[thethe]

Obviously our scouts rank them differently. Guess we'll see which ones are right

Remember how dumb the braves were when they reached for soroka?

 

[Deester11]

But with all the "suitors" this is the best...I wasn't expecting top 5 but...oh well...I'll finding my posi somewhere.....

 

[Enscheff]

Fake news... enscheff said a good outing last night doesn't help

It's simple economics. He pitches better (like he's done the last 2 starts against really good teams) and his value increases. More teams will want him, thus his value increases. It's really simple.

Who said "skyrocketed"?

If more teams now want Garcia, then Garcia's stock has risen.

You're a moron. His value increases every time someone else calls the Braves. The more interest, the better the return. Are you really this dense?

If teams are calling today that weren't yesterday, then Garcia's stock has risen. No one has said he's all-the-sudden gonna pull us a great prospect. If we now have choices that we didn't have yesterday, then starting him last night was obviously a good thing

There are 8 teams "calling the Braves" on Garcia. That's a helluva lot better than 1. How do you not understand this? If there's only one team, they have you by the balls. The more interest, the better the return. Jesus man. Just quit arguing for the sake of arguing.

Is the argument that additional demand for the same product doesn't impact price?

We get a better prospect or at least one we like better than the twins' offer

My prediction is irrelevant in the argument. As an economic principle do you believe demand has no impact on price?

I have no clue. I don't study other teams prospects. I don't think we are going to get a future star, but seriously how do you not understand how things work?

How good a prospect is is entirely subjective.

There's not many SP's out there actually.

At least none that will cost what Garcia will.

Note, im not saying we'll break apart someones farm but last nights start can only help the return for Garcia.

You made the argument that increased demand does impact price unless additonal supply offsets it.

Then you agreed the demand has increased for Garcia based on believing reports but st star that doesn't necessarily increase Garcia value. Based on your previous comment that would lead me to believe you think the supply has ibcreased.

So who else was made avaliable because if it's nobody else then based on your logic Garcias value has increased.

It's mind bottling someone is trying argue increased demand isn't a good thing

So his value isn't increased AT ALL by 8 teams wanting him now instead of 1?

Please don't ban Enscheff. He doesn't understand economics but I find him highly informative and entertaining otherwise.

And there is only one Jaime Garcia on the market. So you may view him equal to all the other middling pitchers available. But there may be a GM who identifies Garcia as the guy he wants. If so, there's only one of him he can get.

GMs are people. People who think differently, have different opinions, and so forth.

I dont know what Garcia brings back but teams often get desperate at the deadline.

Not saying Garcia brings back Gleyber Torres or anything but GM's will overpay to secure someone if they have to. Especially around the deadline if they feel it's the missing piece to their club.

Obviously our scouts rank them differently. Guess we'll see which ones are right

LOL still....

You guys won't admit you made 100 incorrect posts about Garia's value increasing haha?

 

[Deester11]

Da@n En!

 

[WaitingFor2017]

I wish Jaime success in his next start....this week at Dodger Stadium.

 

[bravesfanforlife88]

Bowman says twins paying the remaining salary braves looking to take that money saved and apply to a starting pitcher under control. Still in on Gray

 

[msstate7]

I wish Jaime success in his next start....this week at Dodger Stadium.

2 starts in a row? Lol

 

[Enscheff]

Da@n En!

I think 6 different posters argued with me over 5 pages that his value increased.

Where's their explanation now???

 

[SidSlid92]

Twins twitter says we are sending cash. Bowman says we aren't. Makes more sense that we aren't sending money. Surprised this is the best we could get. Interesting to see what they will use that $4 mil on. On the surface, would have preferred to pay his salary and get a better return.

 

[mqt]

Not trying to Posi-Brave it up too hard, but Ynoa seems like the type of prospect I'd want in the system over guys like Gant. I'm cool with the deal.

 

[thethe]

I think 6 different posters argued with me over 5 pages that his value increased.

Where's their explanation now???

Who determines the value on the player just received?

 

[clvclv]

Not thrilled with the return, but it doesn't seem terribly out of line. Probably would personally preferred Burdi as well, but our people must've really not liked his medicals. I remember Ynoa was a fairly highly sought-after July 2 guy a couple years back, but he's been getting shelled in the Appy League.

Since we're picking up some money (I'm guessing Recker's), I'd have offered to pick all the money up if I could've gotten Garver or Wade, but maybe they tried and the Twins weren't having any of that.

 

[Hawk]

His value went ... down. Damn.

 

[zbhargrove]

Go get Gray and trade Teheran... do it

 

[WaitingFor2017]

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Only if the top 6-7 prospects aren't involved.