GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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Apparently theres been some kind of threat to fly a plane into the capitol Wednsday as payback for killing Solemani. If it was gonna happen they sure as hell wouldnt be warning us so I take it with a grain of salt. Also assume it would be Iran saying this but who knows with the amount of crazy people out there.
 
I can understand not voting to eliminate the filibuster and not voting for DC to get statehood but I cant see any reason to deny PR statehood other than I hate the idea of having an odd number of states or causing all our flags to be outdated. If we deny them statehood they should have the right to vote to become a sovereign nation.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I can understand not voting to eliminate the filibuster and not voting for DC to get statehood but I cant see any reason to deny PR statehood other than I hate the idea of having an odd number of states or causing all our flags to be outdated. If we deny them statehood they should have the right to vote to become a sovereign nation.
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Yeah but they don't have to pay income tax.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I can understand not voting to eliminate the filibuster and not voting for DC to get statehood but I cant see any reason to deny PR statehood other than I hate the idea of having an odd number of states or causing all our flags to be outdated. If we deny them statehood they should have the right to vote to become a sovereign nation.
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DC is more likely to happen.

Puerto Ricans are pretty ambivalent about what they want to do.
 
Lol

These entitled losers have their “scream at the sky protest”? Is this what dumbass fraud boy was talking about?

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DeKalb updated! Warnock takes an unsurmountable lead. Ossoff down only 3k votes. This is over. Democrats are gonna have Senate Majority. WE DEFEATED THE FAKE NEWS PARTY! **** yeah.
 
cajunrevenge said:
DeKalb updated! Warnock takes an unsurmountable lead. Ossoff down only 3k votes. This is over. Democrats are gonna have Senate Majority. WE DEFEATED THE FAKE NEWS PARTY! **** yeah.
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I'm glad you're excited.

What do you hope gets accomplished with this new power?

(Besides weed, of course)
 
Well outside of legalization which I care about more than all other issues combined I hope to see a 2 thousand dollar tax cut. I hope to see farmers stripped of the welfare Trump gave them. Thats full blown socialism. I also hope we deal with welfare states like Kentucky that take in significantly more money than they pay out. I would like to see a commitment to clean energy and hopefully rid ourselves of our oil addiction. I would like to see some meaningful criminal justice reform like the ending civil asset forfeiture. I hope we stop confiscating peoples properties in Texas to build a wall. I hope we bring down the massive debt spending. I wasnt supportive of it before but I am increasingly supportive of red flag laws. I would like to see federal funding stripped from states that create unnecessary barriers to voting. I also hope the Senate committees fully investigate the corruption of the Trump regime.
 
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cajunrevenge said:
Well outside of legalization which I care about more than all other issues combined I hope to see a 2 thousand dollar tax cut. I hope to see farmers stripped of the welfare Trump gave them. Thats full blown socialism. I also hope we deal with welfare states like Kentucky that take in significantly more money than they pay out. I would like to see a commitment to clean energy and hopefully rid ourselves of our oil addiction. I would like to see some meaningful criminal justice reform like the ending civil asset forfeiture. I hope we stop confiscating peoples properties in Texas to build a wall. I hope we bring down the massive debt spending. I wasnt supportive of it before but I am increasingly supportive of red flag laws. I would like to see federal funding stripped from states that create unnecessary barriers to voting. I also hope the Senate committees fully investigate the corruption of the Trump regime.
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Seems reasonable.

You gonna be disappointed though
 
cajunrevenge said:
Well outside of legalization which I care about more than all other issues combined I hope to see a 2 thousand dollar tax cut. I hope to see farmers stripped of the welfare Trump gave them. Thats full blown socialism. I also hope we deal with welfare states like Kentucky that take in significantly more money than they pay out. I would like to see a commitment to clean energy and hopefully rid ourselves of our oil addiction. I would like to see some meaningful criminal justice reform like the ending civil asset forfeiture. I hope we stop confiscating peoples properties in Texas to build a wall. I hope we bring down the massive debt spending. I wasnt supportive of it before but I am increasingly supportive of red flag laws. I would like to see federal funding stripped from states that create unnecessary barriers to voting. I also hope the Senate committees fully investigate the corruption of the Trump regime.
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Of course there is one major unattended item in the president's in box.

I also think a centrist coalition can come together and pass a reasonable compromise on immigration reform.
 
Its gonna be pretty hard for me to be disappointed if I get the one thing that matters to me more than any other issue. I really dont want to vote or support Democrats. Your boy forced my hand on that. You might forget but I was very supportive of Trump although I didnt vote for him in 2016, it was his disastrous policies and blatant corruption that caused me to vote Democrat. My breaking point was the exact same breaking point as the Lincoln Project Republicans. If the party returns to sanity I would be more than willing to go back to voting for Libertarians. I doubt I could ever vote for a Republican after this election fraud hoax. Whoever legalizes will have done more for me than any other politician so they will get my loyalty. After 4 years of Biden and 8 years of Kamala maybe I'll consider Republicans again if they regain some sanity.
 
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then we have been intellectually dishonest from the start...Jefferson commissioned a group of explorers to find out what lay out west...seems like an extra constitutional power grab absent the general welfare clause...then los federales spent a lot of money building canals and waterways...again a power not specified under the constitution other than as a way to provide for the general welfare...more recently we went to the moon just simply because we are a questing people...nothing in the constitution about satisfying our sense of wanderlust
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Canals and waterways built for interstate commerce seem clearly Constitutional to me.
The Lewis and Clark expedition had no impact on any other Americans, aside from a small expenditure of tariff revenue.
The Apollo program I'll agree with as far as the Moon landing, but the space program was primarily about national defense, clearly a responsibility of the feds. Given the time and conditions you could likely make the same argument about Lewis and Clark.

What did the founders think?

Jefferson: “The laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They Congress are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”

Madison: "Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,’’ amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases."
 
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Canals and waterways built for interstate commerce seem clearly Constitutional to me.
The Lewis and Clark expedition had no impact on any other Americans, aside from a small expenditure of tariff revenue.
The Apollo program I'll agree with as far as the Moon landing, but the space program was primarily about national defense, clearly a responsibility of the feds. Given the time and conditions you could likely make the same argument about Lewis and Clark.

What did the founders think?

Jefferson: “The laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They Congress are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”

Madison: "Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,’’ amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases."
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Madison (along with Jay and Washington) maneuvered very subtly and skillfully to make sure the new federal government would be a lot more powerful than under the articles of consideration...they knew what they were getting...others did not fully grasp what they were signing up for
 
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