GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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Strong statement from one of the Republicans who voted no on impeachment. I agree with him on the need for a full investigation.

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Steve Schmidt on fire. Refers to McCarthy, Cruz and the deniers "dead weight".
Points out all of The GOP funders saying they wont give a dime to the 125+ House members that voted to disenfranchise 85M votes.

Disney is one of those funders is Disney.
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Despite how angry everyone rightfully is, I think we need to be willing to admit that the Libs are currently in a bit of a competition to see who can be the most outraged right now.

Having said that, it is shocking to see 20k troops in the capital to protect the transition of power.

Make no mistake, this all happened for one reason and one reason only: Trump was able to dupe millions upon millions of US citizens into believing widespread voter fraud set in motion by elected officials stole the presidency from him. Not only that, but many of his fellow GOP members went right along for the ride, either too scared to contradict him or happy to ride on the train.

While many people are complicit, one person is responsible. Trump didn't cause this in a single day. He caused this over a period of 5 years, and many people warned this is exactly what would happen. Those people were largely told they were crazy by the very people being duped by their cult leader.

This hornet nest was built over a long period of time, and the fact most members of the GOP are acting like they didn't know the nest would burst open and sting everyone is arguably the worst part about it. These people knew what was happening. They allowed it to happen, and now that everything blew up they are scrambling to play naïve. It is a disgrace.

Now we just have to hope these people who were stupid enough to be duped by a cult leader aren't stupid enough to pick a fight with armed troops. Even worse to imagine...hopefully these armed troops aren't in on the act like many of the DC cops were. The sudden surge in the usage of encrypted communication apps make it almost impossible for law enforcement to accurately monitor the violent chatter flying around right now.
 
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50PoundHead said:
But you still have the "removal from office" clause. To me, this is like sentencing someone to death after they've already died. Is there a precedent?
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The legal term you're looking for is mootness. Does a president leaving office render impeachment charges moot. If the only punishment was removal from office, I'd agree. However, there's also disqualification.

Since Trump still enjoys a benefit conviction could remove, the case shouldn't be moot.

There are also prudential concerns. If you're right, a president could resign right before conviction, render the case moot, and avoid disqualification.

That being said, whether someone no longer in office can be put on trial by the Senate is an open question. The scotus might have to take it up if Trump fights it. Not sure Trump wants to foot those legal bills though.
 
striker42 said:
The legal term you're looking for is mootness. Does a president leaving office render impeachment charges moot. If the only punishment was removal from office, I'd agree. However, there's also disqualification.

Since Trump still enjoys a benefit conviction could remove, the case shouldn't be moot.

There are also prudential concerns. If you're right, a president could resign right before conviction, render the case moot, and avoid disqualification.

That being said, whether someone no longer in office can be put on trial by the Senate is an open question. The scotus might have to take it up if Trump fights it. Not sure Trump wants to foot those legal bills though.
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Trump will be fighting legal battles in states all across the country for the rest of his life. What's one more case?
 
striker42 said:
The legal term you're looking for is mootness. Does a president leaving office render impeachment charges moot. If the only punishment was removal from office, I'd agree. However, there's also disqualification.

Since Trump still enjoys a benefit conviction could remove, the case shouldn't be moot.

There are also prudential concerns. If you're right, a president could resign right before conviction, render the case moot, and avoid disqualification.

That being said, whether someone no longer in office can be put on trial by the Senate is an open question. The scotus might have to take it up if Trump fights it. Not sure Trump wants to foot those legal bills though.
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If Trump is impeached after he leaves office and he does want to run again (provided he's not convicted of other crimes), it's my guess that it will end up in front of the Supreme Court. Unless other litigation and business issues totally drain his reserves, he'll have plenty of money (or find a way to raise it) to mount the challenge. The founders did a pretty good job, but they couldn't have envisioned everything, including situations like this.
 
50PoundHead said:
If Trump is impeached after he leaves office and he does want to run again (provided he's not convicted of other crimes), it's my guess that it will end up in front of the Supreme Court. Unless other litigation and business issues totally drain his reserves, he'll have plenty of money (or find a way to raise it) to mount the challenge. The founders did a pretty good job, but they couldn't have envisioned everything, including situations like this.
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I'd love to see a SCOTUS case on this issue. It's not often you see a case break completely new constitutional ground.
 
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