GDT #16, 4/18/14: Braves (Harang) @ Mets (Niese) 7:10 PM;Heyward out, Simmons LEADOFF

[Heyward]

He had one good season in 08 with the White Sox. Aside from that he has been mediocre at best.

He was signed to be the 4-5, not an ace, champ.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

Losing in the playoffs is not the way to measure the success of a team.

Are the Marlins a better franchise/team just because they have two?

I guess I measure success by post season wins. Regular season wins are nice, but they are used to actually make the playoffs. Anything less than a post season berth is a failure.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

He was signed to be the 4-5, not an ace, champ.

There we go. I have missed this side of you, Casey.

 

[Heyward]

There we go. I have missed this side of you, Casey.

 

[thewupk]

Yeah getting owned in the playoffs the last decade plus is a trait only a good team has.

Good teams win games. Playoffs are a crapshot and pretty much everyone in baseball agrees with this. Again if the Braves suck what does that make 80% of the rest of the league?

 

[thewupk]

He had one good season in 08 with the White Sox. Aside from that he has been mediocre at best.

Mediocre at best?

me·di·o·cre

ˌmēdēˈōkər/

adjective

adjective: mediocre

1.

of only moderate quality; not very good.

"a mediocre actor"

synonyms: ordinary, average

FIP- from 2008-2011

2008: 106

2009: 83

2010: 79

2011: 91

100 is average aka 'mediocre'. Anything below 100 is above average aka not 'mediocre'.

Funny enough 2008 was his worst year of that stretch. He got a ton of run support and was very luck with balls in play. That's why he had a good era and a good win/loss record. I wouldn't expect you to see past w/l's though.

 

[The Tariff King]

I guess I measure success by post season wins. Regular season wins are nice, but they are used to actually make the playoffs. Anything less than a post season berth is a failure.

So why are you still a Braves fan? They haven't won in almost 20 years, why do you maintain following this team? Why not go NYY, BOS, STL, or one of the other teams that have won recently?

 

[nsacpi]

So why are you still a Braves fan? They haven't won in almost 20 years, why do you maintain following this team? Why not go NYY, BOS, STL, or one of the other teams that have won recently?

So when are we gonna have ethnic cleansing of GDTs. Post #486 of this thread definitely belongs in the Slovenian section.

 

[The Tariff King]

So when are we gonna have ethnic cleansing of GDTs. Post #486 of this thread definitely belongs in the Slovenian section.

Gotta hand it to you nsacpi, you've been on top of your game the last few days.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

So why are you still a Braves fan? They haven't won in almost 20 years, why do you maintain following this team? Why not go NYY, BOS, STL, or one of the other teams that have won recently?

Because.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

Mediocre at best?

me·di·o·cre
ˌmēdēˈōkər/
adjective
adjective: mediocre

1.
of only moderate quality; not very good.
"a mediocre actor"
synonyms: ordinary, average

FIP- from 2008-2011

2008: 106
2009: 83
2010: 79
2011: 91

100 is average aka 'mediocre'. Anything below 100 is above average aka not 'mediocre'.

Funny enough 2008 was his worst year of that stretch. He got a ton of run support and was very luck with balls in play. That's why he had a good era and a good win/loss record. I wouldn't expect you to see past w/l's though.

Yes because FIP is the end all stats. Funny how his worst season according to you was actually the best season he has ever pitched. Lowest era and most innings pitched as well. His FIP was high. I wouldn't expect you to look past that.

 

[VirginiaBrave]

No jinx here, but the Nats are getting beat 4-2 at the end of the 8th. It seriously seems like the only solid position player for the Nats this year is Rendon. Everyone else is really up and down either offensively or defensively. It's sad... for them.

Now is the time to make a push, April or not. The division is there for the taking. Philly is no real threat, the Nats can't catch the ball. Miami is dangerous but I don't see them as deep as us. The mets are no threat long term. We can make it awfully difficult just by winning series. It's been another great start.

 

[nsacpi]

Now is the time to make a push, April or not. The division is there for the taking. Philly is no real threat, the Nats can't catch the ball. Miami is dangerous but I don't see them as deep as us. The mets are no threat long term. We can make it awfully difficult just by winning series. It's been another great start.

We've been more psychologically resilient than the Gnats in dealing with some bad early injuries. The Gnats are a great team when everything is going well. But they lack resilience in the face of adversity.

 

[thewupk]

Yes because FIP is the end all stats. Funny how his worst season according to you was actually the best season he has ever pitched. Lowest era and most innings pitched as well. His FIP was high. I wouldn't expect you to look past that.

Because ERA and wins/losses don't show you how a pitcher has pitched. Floyd had like a 250 BAIBP that year. Something that is lucky and not repeatable as he has shown. That's why his era was low. FIP is the best gauge of a pitchers true abilities. Yes there are guys like Glavine who consistently out perform their FIP but they are rare.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

Because ERA and wins/losses don't show you how a pitcher has pitched. Floyd had like a 250 BAIBP that year. Something that is lucky and not repeatable as he has shown. That's why his era was low. FIP is the best gauge of a pitchers true abilities. Yes there are guys like Glavine who consistently out perform their FIP but they are rare.

I guess I don't understand how earned runs aren't a good measuring stick when talking about a pitcher.

 

[nsacpi]

I guess I don't understand how earned runs aren't a good measuring stick when talking about a pitcher.

ERA has a larger element of luck or randomness than FIP or xFIP. The proof in the pudding is that the FIP and xFIP data do a better job of predicting a pitcher's ERA in the subsequent year than ERA does.

 

[Heyward]

Now is the time to make a push, April or not. The division is there for the taking. Philly is no real threat, the Nats can't catch the ball. Miami is dangerous but I don't see them as deep as us. The mets are no threat long term. We can make it awfully difficult just by winning series. It's been another great start.

Mets have a lot of good pieces, will be real good by next year when Harvey returns.

It's not even June, way too early to say you can seperate.

 

[thewupk]

I guess I don't understand how earned runs aren't a good measuring stick when talking about a pitcher.

Because defense plays a large part in it. A groundball pitcher will have a much better ERA on the Braves then he would on say the Yankees. He is the same pitcher but who he has around him will effect his era. And there is also the luck part on it. Some years a pitcher just won't have many hits fall in against them just like a hitter can be lucky or not on balls in play.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

Because defense plays a large part in it. A groundball pitcher will have a much better ERA on the Braves then he would on say the Yankees. He is the same pitcher but who he has around him will effect his era. And there is also the luck part on it. Some years a pitcher just won't have many hits fall in against them just like a hitter can be lucky or not on balls in play.

Juan Uribe thinks he is pretty good.

 

[thewupk]

Juan Uribe thinks he is pretty good.

cool story bro