GDT 7/2: The Oakland A's

thethe said:
Braves won't acquire any pieces at the deadline unless the player has 2-3 more years left on his deal.

However, the only way this is not a mirage is if Folty/Newc are becoming TOR types. Doesn't have to aces but 2 & 3 starters really accelerates contention. I'm as big of a Newcomb guy as any. Striker and I have been beating that drums for well over a year. Teheran will normalize. He was throwing hard today which is a great sign. The pitching looks respectable. If Freeman comes back and is even 80% of what he was then we are going to give these 'good' teams a fight.
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Um.. you might have been beating the drum.. but I AM the Drum when it comes to Newk... I have watched so many of his games in the minors. I am stoked at his progress... I am not convinced yet. I have seen good stretches out of him before.. I hope this is who he is, but Houston will be his biggest test thus far.. if he dominates them, then I might be a true believer that he is TOR ready by end of year..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Um.. you might have been beating the drum.. but I AM the Drum when it comes to Newk... I have watched so many of his games in the minors. I am stoked at his progress... I am not convinced yet. I have seen good stretches out of him before.. I hope this is who he is, but Houston will be his biggest test thus far.. if he dominates them, then I might be a true believer that he is TOR ready by end of year..
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That one start dosent say anything imo. It's just how he continues to progress. He's due to get lit up. Every other pitcher does. I just hope he find a way to get comfortable with his change up
 
People keep making jokes, but I'm legitimately impressed with where this team is right now. The front office wanted to get better, and well, they absolutely have. Whether they actually compete or not is definitely left to be seen, but that doesn't matter this point. They're IN contention for a wild card spot and number two in the division (not saying much lol). All of this without our offensive leader for a large portion of the last month plus. It's impressive.
 
My wife represents the casual fan in my eyes, and after watching the end of that game she said "Let's go to a game to actually watch it" as we normally go to drink/socialize on kid free weekends.

We're not going to sacrifice the future, but I think we're going to do some buying and selling to get the casual fans out to the park in the 2nd half.
 
thewupk said:
The problem with Teheran is that he's not being unlucky.
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I guess it depends on how you look at his home/road splits.

Balls are flying out for him at Suntrust at a 20% clip, but Suntrust doesn't actually seem to be playing as a HR park particularly.

But maybe he's lucky on the road.
 
Southcack77 said:
I guess it depends on how you look at his home/road splits.

Balls are flying out for him at Suntrust at a 20% clip, but Suntrust doesn't actually seem to be playing as a HR park particularly.

But maybe he's lucky on the road.
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I think Teheran's bigger problem has been... increase in BB/9, decrease in K/9, increase in HR/9... that's why his FIP is sky high too. Not much showing he's been unlucky, just bad.
 
My posi prediction of the day...

Teheran is gonna kill it 2nd half and I'm including vs Nats this weekend
 
msstate7 said:
My posi prediction of the day...

Teheran is gonna kill it 2nd half and I'm including vs Nats this weekend
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I have always felt this about him. I think him not locating is is biggest problem.. that leads to everything else being discussed. When he can't locate his FB, he is toast. I think he will start doing that.
 
zbhargrove said:
I think Teheran's bigger problem has been... increase in BB/9, decrease in K/9, increase in HR/9... that's why his FIP is sky high too. Not much showing he's been unlucky, just bad.
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Even FIP shows a pretty drastic home/road split. Teheran hasn't been great on the road, but he's had better results. And he has been slightly better with K and BB rates. But maybe that's not all that significant really and its just happenstance.

We've seen Teheran sort of do this before and recover a bit. Maybe he'll right the ship again. But I've never been a huge fan. I've always thought of him as a three or possibly four despite his outperforming results in the past.
 
Southcack77 said:
Even FIP shows a pretty drastic home/road split. Teheran hasn't been great on the road, but he's had better results. And he has been slightly better with K and BB rates. But maybe that's not all that significant really and its just happenstance.

We've seen Teheran sort of do this before and recover a bit. Maybe he'll right the ship again. But I've never been a huge fan. I've always thought of him as a three or possibly four despite his outperforming results in the past.
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Agreed. I think his home issue is the fact that, while its still too early to diagnose SunTrust's overall home run profile, its pretty evident that pull lefties hit more homers here. He struggles more vs. lefties than righties.
 
Southcack77 said:
Even FIP shows a pretty drastic home/road split. Teheran hasn't been great on the road, but he's had better results. And he has been slightly better with K and BB rates. But maybe that's not all that significant really and its just happenstance.

We've seen Teheran sort of do this before and recover a bit. Maybe he'll right the ship again. But I've never been a huge fan. I've always thought of him as a three or possibly four despite his outperforming results in the past.
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We need a good 3. His contract is good. If Teheran rights the ship, what's not to like?
 
msstate7 said:
We need a good 3. His contract is good. If Teheran rights the ship, what's not to like?
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Yeah, I agree. He's likely more valuable as a cost controlled starter to the Braves than anything they could get for him at this point. I don't see any other move but to hold him and hope he reverts to his peripheral out-performing form.
 
zbhargrove said:
Agreed. I think his home issue is the fact that, while its still too early to diagnose SunTrust's overall home run profile, its pretty evident that pull lefties hit more homers here. He struggles more vs. lefties than righties.
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I've been looking for lefty specific park ratings but don't know where to find them. Per ESPN's ratings, the park is playing average or maybe below average for HRs in general.

Adams's splits are actually pretty park neutral. Freddie's hit more HRs on the road though his HR/FB is much higher at home oddly. Adams HR/FB rate is higher on road (though some STL numbers are in there).
 
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