bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
It really is a tough call. Smith and void have been equally bad. Smith is a better catcher but has zero offense. Void can at least draw a walk once a month.
GDT 8/10/21: Reds vs Braves - Dead Red
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Dunit24
Awaiting a Promotion
I know we mock Chip all the time when he says it but dadgumit its the truth this time. Adding TDA IS like acquiring a silver slugging catcher. Out 1-8 is going to be great.
I don't expect TDA to put up numbers he did last year, but at the very worst he's still better than Smith.
TDA has been a silver slugging catcher once in his entire career. He had a 411 BABIP last season as well so let's not go overboard. He is a real catcher though and not an automatic out so that is a meaningful improvement.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
This.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Vogt is a better defender. He’s 200 points better in OPS too.
DirkPiggler
Well-known member
If he can just return to what he was in the three seasons where he played in (barely) over 100 games, the improvement would be drastic.
I don't think I've ever seen a non-pitcher with an OPS+ of 18.
Sometimes you are what you are. He also played 44 games last year and I wouldn't call that a full season.
Still better than Pache
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I throw out 2020 for a lot of guys. d'Arnaud is a slightly better-hitting version of Tyler Flowers. Good framer. Lots of passed balls and not a particularly good catch-and-throw guy. That said, he's a marked improvement over what we've had back there this season and should provide better ABs.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Don't want to throw dirt on his career quite yet, but if things don't get better, I think we can call it a Pacheplant when a prospect woefully underperforms.
Not sure that Vogt is a "better" defender, but Smith certainly hasn't struck me as such an amazing framer or defensive guy like Flowers that you're willing to keep him around over someone who can at least provide you some form of offense every once in awhile.
So far, Pache has been the only top position prospect to flop. The Braves have been very lucky in that regard.
DirkPiggler
Well-known member
Pache at least has somewhat of an excuse due to age and lack of experience.
Smith reminds me of a less likable Corky Miller.
CyYoung31
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The Braves are just amazing in player development. Way better than the Rays or Dodgers.
CyYoung31
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Smith is a nice framer, when he catches the ball. Vogt doesn’t have that problem, and is actually a really good throwing catcher in his career (though that isn’t that important.) Offensively, it’s not even close.