He was a failure at that.
Coppy was a bad GM. The big move was bringing back the old scouting guard but that was a JS move methinks.
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He was a failure at that.
Coppy was a bad GM. The big move was bringing back the old scouting guard but that was a JS move methinks.
do you seriously forget what was happening AFTER that year?
we had one more year with heyward and upton. neither of which we could sign.
we went all in and wren put out a lousy team that had at best 1 more year of possible contention before we were left with basically nothing and a terrible farm system. wren probably would've wanted to go for it again. and we would have been ****ed for a decade.
wren was given a bunch of elite talent and built nothing around it. had no pipeline of young players to supplement. no pitching. it was a trainwreck at the end.
"crap ton of talent to trade" who had 1 year left before big free agent pay days.
wren is a failure at evaluating prospects. which is fairly important for a mid-market team.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I still don’t see how anyone can say a GM is not involved with amateur Acquisitions. It is not like an org is acquiring 1000s of players a year. A GM better have a hand in every deal.
but it's based on your feelings, not facts.
wren didn't do a good job. coppy/hart didn't either. they were equally average-to-below-average.
wren had weak spots and big gaffes, so did coppy. the fact you think wren is clearly and easily better is kinda funny.
Wren gave us a 5 year window of contention where the team was really good but some people choose to forget that. Yeah I am sure he wanted to go for it another year, I did too. After that, yeah he would have started a rebuild. That's par the course for mid market teams if they are lucky. They get their window and then have to rebuild. People thinking this Braves team will ever experience what happened in the 90's again of continuous contention is deluding themselves. We are like everybody else if we are lucky. You get a window to contend and then you rebuild.
I suppose that's why he kept his prospects instead of trading them in the late 00's so we could have a good team. Makes sense.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Kimbrel. Wood. Peraza. Simmons. Gattis. All had more than 1 year. Heyward and jup sure.
The team won under Wren. The team got caught cheating and embarrassed under Coppy. Those are facts.
he didn't give it to us.
the best players from that time weren't acquired by him.
and we weren't even a real contender. every time we made the playoffs we were easily eliminated. that dodgers series was a joke. we had no shot and it was obvious. we had no pitching due to really poor drafting and bad FA signings. if those were the best teams wren could muster with the talent that was laid on his doorstep, then that's just not good. he did a really poor job of building around the talent that was given to him. which is precisely why we never made any real noise.
the team won under wren with mostly players he didn't draft or acquire. facts.
those really good players were built around so poorly that we never had an actual shot at a WS.
giving wren credit for the wins while he was GM is hilarious. we've done this exercise. look at the players on those teams. look how many were here before he was GM. look how many he added to it. it wasn't much.
and our drafts were simply terrible. again, a mid-market team cannot survive with a bottom-5 farm. and we routinely had one under wren.
and our drafts were simply terrible. again, a mid-market team cannot survive with a bottom-5 farm. and we routinely had one under wren.
in 2012 the Braves leader in bWAR was Bourn
in 2013 the Braves leader in bWAR was Simmons
at the peak of our contention the two best players each year were acquired by Wren
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Wren wasn’t good. I personally won’t argue that. But he didn’t continual bad decisions to hamper the org like coppy. From horrible trades to early promotions to getting black balled by other executives because of his pestering amateurism. To finally leaving a skid mark on the org for years to come. There is clearly a worse gm when comparing the two.
yes he did. poor drafts over and over. poor FA signings. poor contract extensions.
all hampered the franchise.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
would that include the people on the international side....the results even with cheating were not good
Haters gonna hate.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Poor drafts were because he had to win. He took high floor. It didn’t work. Poor contract extension are the reason I disliked him. He had bad and good FA signing. Every gm does. Still far from the **** stain of coppy/hart. I was hoodwinked by them. But jeez man. Just step back and look at the two objectively. It isn’t close.