GDT: NLCS Game 3 Braves vs Dodgers

thewupk said:
Maybe this will be a series where the Dodgers grossly outscore us but don't advance.

Regardless of the final score the Braves can't be upset about the position they are in. They still need to win Fried's next game and 1 more.

Have the Braves picked a game 5 starter yet? I'm curious if they will go with Fried and Anderson on short rest or 'punt' it to give them full rest.
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I wish we would give them full rest but honestly it depends on what happens tonight.
You lose and it’s series tied and you can’t give them another game unless your very confident you won’t lose with our top two going.
It wouldn’t shock me to see Wright in game 5 for an opener type game if they go the full rest route with the young’ens
 
Buzzworm said:
I wish we would give them full rest but honestly it depends on what happens tonight.
You lose and it’s series tied and you can’t give them another game unless your very confident you won’t lose with our top two going.
It wouldn’t shock me to see Wright in game 5 for an opener type game if they go the full rest route with the young’ens
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why on earth would you run these guys out on short rest? the braves just need to win each of these two guy's starts. starting them on short rest only makes them less effective.

we talk about not chasing games and whatnot, well this is the ultimate not chasing scenario. realistically, fried and anderson are far and away the team's best bets.
 
chipchildress said:
why on earth would you run these guys out on short rest? the braves just need to win each of these two guy's starts. starting them on short rest only makes them less effective.

we talk about not chasing games and whatnot, well this is the ultimate not chasing scenario. realistically, fried and anderson are far and away the team's best bets.
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I'd have to agree with this sentiment as much as it sucks to potentially punt 2 games in a row. But we knew going into the playoffs that this would probably be the situation with our rotation.
 
It sucks they got pounded last night, but it’s just one loss. I didn’t bother reading through the thread last night so I don’t honestly know how we are reacting. If months ago, somebody asked if you would take a lead in the NLCS 2-1 after 3 games and would you take it? The answer is a resounding, YES.
Again we all knew Wright and whatever happens tonight were going to be extremely tall orders. It blows that after six batters last night the game was over. Move on and focus on not letting last night repeat itself.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
It sucks they got pounded last night, but it’s just one loss. I didn’t bother reading through the thread last night so I don’t honestly know how we are reacting. If months ago, somebody asked if you would take a lead in the NLCS 2-1 after 3 games and would you take it? The answer is a resounding, YES.
Again we all knew Wright and whatever happens tonight were going to be extremely tall orders. It blows that after six batters last night the game was over. Move on and focus on not letting last night repeat itself.
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a rational thought. wtf?
 
chipchildress said:
why on earth would you run these guys out on short rest? the braves just need to win each of these two guy's starts. starting them on short rest only makes them less effective.

we talk about not chasing games and whatnot, well this is the ultimate not chasing scenario. realistically, fried and anderson are far and away the team's best bets.
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yeah, i think you need both of them on full rest. if they were down 2-1 and lost tonight, sure, bump Fried up. but no matter what you have the luxury of not being eliminated while giving both of those guys 2 starts on full rest. no reason to not use it.
 
thewupk said:
Maybe this will be a series where the Dodgers grossly outscore us but don't advance.

Regardless of the final score the Braves can't be upset about the position they are in. They still need to win Fried's next game and 1 more.

Have the Braves picked a game 5 starter yet? I'm curious if they will go with Fried and Anderson on short rest or 'punt' it to give them full rest.
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I actually agree with Snitker that this was probably the best way to lose Game 3 if you were going to lose it.

The bullpen is pretty much entirely rested as they go into a bullpen game.

If it is 3-1, don't you try another pen game? Maybe even let Wright open again?

If it is 2-2, you might want to pitch Fried on short rest to guarantee you get starts from Fried and Anderson. I would want to push Fried back as far as possible just because he seems like somebody that can be a little off at times. For whatever reason, I'm maybe more confident and Anderson on short rest. That's not based on anything at all.
 
Southcack77 said:
I actually agree with Snitker that this was probably the best way to lose Game 3 if you were going to lose it.

The bullpen is pretty much entirely rested as they go into a bullpen game.

If it is 3-1, don't you try another pen game? Maybe even let Wright open again?

If it is 2-2, you might want to pitch Fried on short rest to guarantee you get starts from Fried and Anderson. I would want to push Fried back as far as possible just because he seems like somebody that can be a little off at times. For whatever reason, I'm maybe more confident and Anderson on short rest. That's not based on anything at all.
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100% agree. Would much rather lose a blowout and preserve the pen in our situation, then lose in the bottom of the 9th having used most if not all the high leverage relievers.

The only thing that bothers me, and it's hindsight, is that we might have been better served saving Ynoa to start either today or tomorrow. But I'm saying that based on how he performed in the ultimate low leverage situation...he's as apt as any of our lower tier guys to throw a clunker.
 
No way you can hand over 2 more games to the Dodgers to give Fried and Anderson their full rest. That’s like leaving Kimbrel in the bullpen. We are a couple of games away from being in the World Series so pitch them on 4 days rest.
 
Hudson2 said:
No way you can hand over 2 more games to the Dodgers to give Fried and Anderson their full rest. That’s like leaving Kimbrel in the bullpen. We are a couple of games away from being in the World Series so pitch them on 4 days rest.
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I would rather have Fried on full rest than Fried on short rest. Either way he’s only pitching one more time.

The Dodgers are on the ropes, not the Braves. Let them make the desperation moves.
 
Hudson2 said:
No way you can hand over 2 more games to the Dodgers to give Fried and Anderson their full rest. That’s like leaving Kimbrel in the bullpen. We are a couple of games away from being in the World Series so pitch them on 4 days rest.
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It's not because Fried is pitching regardless.

Assuming you have to win Freid's next start to advance anyways then Anderson would get another game as well.
 
Baseball is too volatile of a sport to punt 3 consecutive games, but going into this we more or less knew we'd have win Ian and Max's 4 starts to move on.
 
thewupk said:
It's not because Fried is pitching regardless.

Assuming you have to win Freid's next start to advance anyways then Anderson would get another game as well.
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The strategy shifts significantly based on tonight's outcome.

If the Braves lose, the only way to guarantee that both Anderson and Fried get another appearance is to start both on short rest.

Doing so is the only way that you could possibly not have to endure two bullpen games.

But who knows how effective those guys would be in a second turn against the Dodgers on short rest.

maybe the play is to give them as much rest as possible, but optimally you aren't facing an elimination game for the hope of getting Anderson another start, I wouldn't think.

Of course the Braves could win tonight and the obvious move is probably to push them both back.


I'm just trying to figure out if the Braves have better chance with their best two starters on short rest or with a bullpen game. That's really the call here if it is 2-2.
 
Southcack77 said:
The strategy shifts significantly based on tonight's outcome.

If the Braves lose, the only way to guarantee that both Anderson and Fried get another appearance is to start both on short rest.

Doing so is the only way that you could possibly not have to endure two bullpen games.

But who knows how effective those guys would be in a second turn against the Dodgers on short rest.

maybe the play is to give them as much rest as possible, but optimally you aren't facing an elimination game for the hope of getting Anderson another start, I wouldn't think.

Of course the Braves could win tonight and the obvious move is probably to push them both back.


I'm just trying to figure out if the Braves have better chance with their best two starters on short rest or with a bullpen game. That's really the call here if it is 2-2.
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If Wilson can get 5 strong innings and Braves with lead or close then bullpen should become paramount. Get this one in the win column then gamble tomorrow and go all in on the final 2.
 
Do we have any stats on Fried pitching with short rest? Has he ever done it? Do we want his first attempt to be in the NLCS against the best team in baseball? Dude has been on extra rest most of his career.

If Game 5 were an elimination game for the Braves, Fried starts...period. It won’t be, so save him for Game 6 on full test. The Braves BP is good enough to steal a game from the Dodgers.
 
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Just for reference, courtesy of a poster at TC, here is Bellinger's first-inning PA:

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In other words: the ump did indeed hose Wright in that PA.

The second pitch is the most egregious, being clearly a strike. If it's not miscalled a ball, maybe Bellinger swings through the close-but-not-a-strike third pitch.
 
Enscheff said:
Jesus, are we still blaming the umps?
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I am verifying that the homeplate umpire did indeed blow that specific PA. Obviously fifteen runs were not scored in that specific PA. But it was nonetheless a key PA, and the umpire blew it.
 
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