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I doubt Putin cares about Southwest Ukraine at all.

Its all about the land bridge to Moldova and control of the Black sea.
 
thethe said:
I doubt Putin cares about Southwest Ukraine at all.

Its all about the land bridge to Moldova and control of the Black sea.
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He definitely will care in a public sense. He's claiming there isn't really such a thing as Ukraine and that it shouldn't exist separate from Russia. He might also care in a practical sense in that's ideal for an insurgency or as autonomous regions for rebels.

Putin also needs to be concerned about overextending his military. He's invaded a country with a population of 40 million and any insurgency will be well funded and well equipped. He has to leave an occupying force there. Think of how many resources and how much money was sunk into Iraq by the US. It's a country of similar size. Does he have the military to invade Moldova while occupying Ukraine? Does he have the money?

Lots of questions.
 
thethe said:
Entities like the CCP have no concerns for short term hardship. And for them short term is 10-20 years. Their view is long term and their view is undoubtabley to replace the US as the primary hegemon.
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China is interesting. Their relations with Russia are ones of convenience. You're right that they'll be willing to take on short term hard ship for long term goals and that short term is years for them but they wont stick their neck out for Russia. Their abstentions in the UN votes on Ukraine show you their connection with Russia is hardly dogmatic. Russia is useful, even a pariah state Russia is useful for them. But if Russia outlives its usefulness they'll toss it aside without a second thought.

I honestly don't know what China's long term goals are. They definitely want power and prestige but how much influence do they want? Or better yet, how much would they use it? They definitely want the influence that being a super power would give them so they could use it for their own benefit but but I don't see them taking on a role of trying to spread culture or ideals as the US has done. China still has isolationist tendencies and I don't see that changing.
 
striker42 said:
China is interesting. Their relations with Russia are ones of convenience. You're right that they'll be willing to take on short term hard ship for long term goals and that short term is years for them but they wont stick their neck out for Russia. Their abstentions in the UN votes on Ukraine show you their connection with Russia is hardly dogmatic. Russia is useful, even a pariah state Russia is useful for them. But if Russia outlives its usefulness they'll toss it aside without a second thought.

I honestly don't know what China's long term goals are. They definitely want power and prestige but how much influence do they want? Or better yet, how much would they use it? They definitely want the influence that being a super power would give them so they could use it for their own benefit but but I don't see them taking on a role of trying to spread culture or ideals as the US has done. China still has isolationist tendencies and I don't see that changing.
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I honestly think China's goals are to dominate their area. My guess is long term they want to be the power of Asia in a way that US is the power of the Americas. They're 90% of the way there, but hurting Russia is largely good for their long term goals as Russia has important allies that can challenge China now, like Iran, Syria, etc. Russia weakening would allow China to move in. China also is looking for resources. That largely explains their African economic colonialism.
 
striker42 said:
China is interesting. Their relations with Russia are ones of convenience. You're right that they'll be willing to take on short term hard ship for long term goals and that short term is years for them but they wont stick their neck out for Russia. Their abstentions in the UN votes on Ukraine show you their connection with Russia is hardly dogmatic. Russia is useful, even a pariah state Russia is useful for them. But if Russia outlives its usefulness they'll toss it aside without a second thought.

I honestly don't know what China's long term goals are. They definitely want power and prestige but how much influence do they want? Or better yet, how much would they use it? They definitely want the influence that being a super power would give them so they could use it for their own benefit but but I don't see them taking on a role of trying to spread culture or ideals as the US has done. China still has isolationist tendencies and I don't see that changing.
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China wins either way with this Ukraine conflict.

They can gouge Russia on anything because they're the only major country willing to trade with them. But strategically, it works for China because:

They can see how much the West will tolerate Russian aggression.
They can see the lengths the US and allies are willing to go to stop Putin without military action and only sanctions.
They can see how much money Putin is burning through this conflict, to help gauge how much they'd need to invade Taiwan.
They can see how sustainable an insurgency can be with West backed supplies and money.

Russia is doing a test-run for them, and they don't have to pay anything for it. They might actually come out profitting on this somehow.

And now that Putin is stretching his military thin, just on one country alone, it positions China to be the true #2 military power in the world, without actually having to lift a finger. It will take a long time for Putin to reload the military, with his economy in a black hole.
 
The Chosen One said:
If the general American public is as stupid as you and sturg believe they are, we would have gone into Iran, China, North Korea, long ago.
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I wish we would do what we did to the Russians to Iran and China. That would be of actual strategic importance to us as opposed to Russia putting together the old territories.
 
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the great reset that will actually happen is exactly t he opposite the western elites had in place. They are the ones that destroyed our dominance and got us to where we are. The people will not forget come November.
 
What a disaster. The Ukrainians need to just surrender and the west needs to stop encouraging resistance.
 
Because they are going to get slaughtered. Nobody is going to save them.

There is nothing worse than war. So many are going to die.
 
thethe said:
Said from behind a computer screen.

Wars are a last resort and nobody should be sacrificing others and sending them to the slaughter.
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and people that sit in a nice house in a nice neighborhood in a free country that can freely talk **** about thier government online shouldn’t tell people on the other side of the world to lay down and lose thier livelihoods and thier freedoms. you encourage putins behavior by not stopping it





If China invaded Taiwan tomorrow, do you think American lives should try to stop it?
 
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