Not blaming it on Trump, but the NATO condition is such a fucking dumb one. Ukraine has continuously been supported as if they’re a NATO country anyway. Why would that possibly be a necessary requirement to end the war? Seems like an easy concession for Putin to make in exchange for his land grab.
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Not blaming it on Trump, but the NATO condition is such a fucking dumb one. Ukraine has continuously been supported as if they’re a NATO country anyway. Why would that possibly be a necessary requirement to end the war? Seems like an easy concession for Putin to make in exchange for his land grab.
cajunrevenge
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I am cool with telling Putin he can have Crimea and Ukraine won't join NATO.. Doesn't mean a damn thing in the long term. Ukraine needs to take the time to rebuild their military and once the felon is gone they can seize Crimea back in a surprise Special military operation.
The thing about ending the war though is then comes an election and Russia will be trying hard to get a puppet in power.
The thing about ending the war though is then comes an election and Russia will be trying hard to get a puppet in power.
cajunrevenge
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I don't know why he would be afraid of either but one is infinitely more gullible and easy to manipulate. No one is scared of Trump. Well women are probably afraid to be left alone with him but that's it.
Tapate50
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cajunrevenge
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So you deny its easy for people to butter up Trump and that he changes his stance on people solely based on what recent things they have said about him? He hired John Bolton because he agreed with Trump on 1 single thing. You are crazy if you think Putin wasnt popping champagne when Trump won.
cajunrevenge
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Ukraine was a Russian puppet when Obama took office. So Ukraine gained all of itself under Obama and became a western ally. You can feed into this tough guy Trump BS but what exactly was Trump going to do if Putin did a special military operation during his term?
Yep, now that it’s played out, I think Trump appears to have done a genuinely good job on this, as has the European delegation. Trump has *said* some wild shit about Ukraine and Russia at times, but I can’t say there’s an actual action he’s taken in the conflict that was wrong.
In particular, Trump is absolutely right here. As long as we weren’t inviting Putin as a friend to discuss how he can benefit most, this is exactly how we should be using our global influence. It can both be true that Russia is/was the aggressor in this conflict, and that we should meet with Russia to discuss ways to end the conflict. That’s just called diplomacy.
Meanwhile, the online right continues to not understand what Zelenskyy’s role is here. That he even took the meeting in the first place is a sign he’s open to compromising, but he absolutely should not be openly saying he’ll accept anything less than Russia’s complete abandonment of Ukraine.
Yep. There has been a stronger effort to end this war in the last 6 months than there was the previous 3 years.