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mqt said:
Huh, I’d think above all else, Palestinian families would blame the people who actually killed them with missiles.
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Above all else, they SHOULD blame the terrorist group running their country and uses them as human shields.
 
Carp said:
Above all else, they SHOULD blame the terrorist group running their country and uses them as human shields.
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I just can’t think of a way you can wipe any and all culpability from the party firing the missiles.
 
Carp said:
Hamas didn't invade Israel on October 7th, taking dozens of hostages? Hamas doesn't continually fire rockets into Israel? Hamas wouldn't take over parts of Israel if they had the capacity?

If Russia ended the War tomorrow, Ukraine would agree to all ceasefire. If Hamas ended the war tomorrow and released all hostages, Israel would do a ceasefire as well.

In both Wars, there is only one side that wants to take over the other country. Ukraine and Israel just want to exist peacefully.
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I see this much closer to the war on terror than a reaction to an invasion. Hamas committed an act of terror, not an advance to take territory. I understand a strong response, but I think they’ve gone too far against an outmanned and outgunned foe.
 
thethe said:
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I'm reliably told that migrant populations respect the rule of law more than locals.

West is going to be in a golden age when we expel the hordes from our lands.
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Le Pen was backdoored in the final hour They lost
 
thethe said:
If anyone actually thinks that whats happening in Europe isn't going to be seen here int he US and Canada you're high.

Everything is correcting itself.

Sanity has prevailed.
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You know, after all we’ve disagreed on over the years, I truly appreciate your vote of confidence for the Left going into November.
 
mqt said:
I see this much closer to the war on terror than a reaction to an invasion. Hamas committed an act of terror, not an advance to take territory. I understand a strong response, but I think they’ve gone too far against an outmanned and outgunned foe.
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They. Still. Have. Israeli. Hostages.

And American hostages at that. So no, there is no going too far. Palestinians can either aid in stopping the war and overthrowing their terrorist overseers, or they are complicit in the acts of war their overseers perpetrate.

You're speak about your bleeding heart all the time. I guess you're willing just to stay eff those hostages right?

I'm sorry but your mindset isn't grounded in reality. War sucks. But Hamas started the war and they are the ones that continue to fan the flames of the war by not releasing their prisoners.

And it wasn't a single act of terrorism, either. Not to mention, Hamas literally wants to annihilate Israel and take their land. They just lack the capacity to do it.
 
Carp said:
They. Still. Have. Israeli. Hostages.

And American hostages at that. So no, there is no going too far. Palestinians can either aid in stopping the war and overthrowing their terrorist overseers, or they are complicit in the acts of war their overseers perpetrate.

You're speak about your bleeding heart all the time. I guess you're willing just to stay eff those hostages right?

I'm sorry but your mindset isn't grounded in reality. War sucks. But Hamas started the war and they are the ones that continue to fan the flames of the war by not releasing their prisoners.

And it wasn't a single act of terrorism, either. Not to mention, Hamas literally wants to annihilate Israel and take their land. They just lack the capacity to do it.
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Hamas should release the hostages and Israel should work to free them. I hope they’re all freed in good condition. I don’t accept the deaths of thousands to rescue handfuls though.
 
Carp said:
They. Still. Have. Israeli. Hostages.

And American hostages at that. So no, there is no going too far. Palestinians can either aid in stopping the war and overthrowing their terrorist overseers, or they are complicit in the acts of war their overseers perpetrate.

You're speak about your bleeding heart all the time. I guess you're willing just to stay eff those hostages right?

I'm sorry but your mindset isn't grounded in reality. War sucks. But Hamas started the war and they are the ones that continue to fan the flames of the war by not releasing their prisoners.

And it wasn't a single act of terrorism, either. Not to mention, Hamas literally wants to annihilate Israel and take their land. They just lack the capacity to do it.
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Israel really has no choice but to kill every Hamas leader and end this once and all. It’s a never ending cycle
 
Krgrecw said:
Israel really has no choice but to kill every Hamas leader and end this once and all. It’s a never ending cycle
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That's not how terrorist organizations work.

You kill every leader, others step in. How many number 1-5 of Al-Queda/ISIS have the US killed?

You kill every person, you're a horrible person.
 
mqt said:
Hamas should release the hostages and Israel should work to free them. I hope they’re all freed in good condition. I don’t accept the deaths of thousands to rescue handfuls though.
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So totally ok with the Holocaust then?

What would an acceptable number of hostages taken to necessitate this response? So you have a number?

If you align yourself with terrorism and evil, then you accept the consequences of your decision.
 
zitothebrave said:
That's not how terrorist organizations work.

You kill every leader, others step in. How many number 1-5 of Al-Queda/ISIS have the US killed?

You kill every person, you're a horrible person.
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ISIS and Al-Queda both have seen a massive decrease in regional control.
 
mqt said:
Hamas should release the hostages and Israel should work to free them. I hope they’re all freed in good condition. I don’t accept the deaths of thousands to rescue handfuls though.
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this is the part where I ask you if this mindset would change if it were your children who were being held hostage.

And I'm pretty sure you'll give me an answer that invokes the highest signal of virtue
 
mqt said:
I just can’t think of a way you can wipe any and all culpability from the party firing the missiles.
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I can

as long as Hamas says those deaths help them and they hold hostages etc

**** that theocracy that wants to kill jews more than help the people they were voted to help and have been given billions to build a society and instead they funneled that money to kill Jews
 
sturg33 said:
this is the part where I ask you if this mindset would change if it were your children who were being held hostage.

And I'm pretty sure you'll give me an answer that invokes the highest signal of virtue
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I would want my children rescued. But I also expect a civilized nation not to trade an entire population for hostages.
 
Carp said:
So totally ok with the Holocaust then?

What would an acceptable number of hostages taken to necessitate this response? So you have a number?

If you align yourself with terrorism and evil, then you accept the consequences of your decision.
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No, I’m not okay with the holocaust simply because I don’t think tens of thousands of people should die.

I don’t have a concrete number, but I assure you my ratio is not 100 hostages:30,000 civilian deaths.
 
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mqt said:
No, I’m not okay with the holocaust simply because I don’t think tens of thousands of people should die.
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But that is reality. It indeed is an either/or scenario. War is suffering. Had the Allied not taken the actions we did against Germany (in which a lot of innocent Germans died) then we may have never ended the Holocaust. So you are either ok with the Holocaust to save innocent German lives, or you believe countries should do what is necessary to defeat evil and violent extremist.

It sucks, indeed. But when your overseers are brutal extremists, you must either join the fight against them, or become complicit in their actions.
 
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