Global Events & Politics Überthread
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
People could be getting departed for ...checks notes... going to Harvard though
sturg33
I
No. That's not a reason someone can get deported for
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Restricts Foreign Student Visas at Harvard University
RESTRICTING FOREIGN STUDENT VISAS AT HARVARD: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed a Proclamation to safeguard national security by suspending the
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- The Proclamation suspends the entry into the United States of any new Harvard student as a nonimmigrant under F, M, or J visas.
- It directs the Secretary of State to consider revoking existing F, M, or J visas for current Harvard students who meet the Proclamation’s criteria.
- The Proclamation does not apply to aliens attending other U.S. universities through the Student Exchange Visa Program (SEVP) and exempts aliens whose entry is deemed in the national interest.
sturg33
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Revoking a visa is not a deportationFact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Restricts Foreign Student Visas at Harvard University
RESTRICTING FOREIGN STUDENT VISAS AT HARVARD: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed a Proclamation to safeguard national security by suspending the
- The Proclamation suspends the entry into the United States of any new Harvard student as a nonimmigrant under F, M, or J visas.
- It directs the Secretary of State to consider revoking existing F, M, or J visas for current Harvard students who meet the Proclamation’s criteria.
- The Proclamation does not apply to aliens attending other U.S. universities through the Student Exchange Visa Program (SEVP) and exempts aliens whose entry is deemed in the national interest.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Revokation a visa means they're illegal and deportable. And the government has all the info on these people because they followed the laws to come here legally.
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
Thing that’s funny is that I may actually have to agree with his assessment, but there are multiple different interpretations you can bring here on why.
Myself, I land personally on for him, he found Trump to be too wild and unpredictable and he’d worry about what he’d have to deal with if he tried to invade.
Edit: as a side note here, Western leaders made a major mistake involving Putin in the early-mid 2010s…
Look man, if you want to uncritically accept that Vladimir Putin is telling the truth when he says something that Donald Trump wants to hear, I won’t tell you you’re wrong. But there’s a body of work that suggests that Putin isn’t the most reliable source of honest and accurate information. Do you believe all his political rivals were just really unlucky?
I dunno, you tell me why Trump hasn’t been able to end the war then. If Putin is so terrified of Trump and Trump clearly wants this war to end, why isn’t it over? Trump’s even imposed multiple 15 day deadlines!
Trump’s approach of backing us away from defending Ukraine to the bitter end is actually a good one, and I do appreciate that he’s made ending global conflicts a pillar of his foreign policy. But this is quite literally nothing more than propaganda aimed at giving Trump a political victory to declare from his summit, and it’s sad that people are unflinchingly accepting it.
It does very much seem that both sides are being especially dumb about this summit. If Trump is even able to get Zelenskyy and Europe to the table, it can’t be to discuss complete capitulation to the Russian demands, so I think it’s absolutely silly to suggest Putin played Trump or that Trump is caving to Putin without some extraordinary evidence that isn’t out there right now.
That said, we also have no reason to believe it actually accomplished anything, or that Trump has brokered peace or is going to automatically act in good-faith. For as much as I laughed at the notion of Putin telling the truth about these Trump “achievements” I think most people have it backward. Putin isn’t playing Trump, Putin is giving Trump a political win. The merits of this summit will be determined by what comes next. If Russia is asking to retain some small portion of the land they took and will agree to certain terms that are agreeable to Ukraine and Europe, that seems like the inevitable conclusion anyway and I’ll give Donnie his flowers for this. If he turns this Ukraine meeting into an attack and a new round of punitive tariffs on Europe or some shit, we might have a problem on our hands.
That said, we also have no reason to believe it actually accomplished anything, or that Trump has brokered peace or is going to automatically act in good-faith. For as much as I laughed at the notion of Putin telling the truth about these Trump “achievements” I think most people have it backward. Putin isn’t playing Trump, Putin is giving Trump a political win. The merits of this summit will be determined by what comes next. If Russia is asking to retain some small portion of the land they took and will agree to certain terms that are agreeable to Ukraine and Europe, that seems like the inevitable conclusion anyway and I’ll give Donnie his flowers for this. If he turns this Ukraine meeting into an attack and a new round of punitive tariffs on Europe or some shit, we might have a problem on our hands.
I expressed rather clearly that if Zelenskyy and Europe are on their way to meet with Trump that it’s unlikely that the meeting with Putin went the way Dems are suggesting it did. Just suggesting there are still outcomes that would not be a smashing success and that what everyone on both sides is guilty of right now is such conjecture. We have no way of knowing if it was a successful meeting or not, but both sides have determined from the same events that their side is more likely.
This is what I’m talking about on the pro-Ukraine side. This is very much a delegation that might show up for a genuine peace negotiation, and it’s being assumed to be a power move by Zelenskyy.
It’ll be a real shame if Ukraine cedes land to Russia in this affair, but at what point do you stop forcing Ukrainian (and Russian) soldiers to die to stop that outcome?
I think the best possible outcome at this point is Russia being granted some of the disputed land in exchange for Ukraine’s admission into NATO and some sort of structure to stop Putin from effectively mobilizing his military for further aggression.
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
This is pretty well played by Europe in general. They've learned from the last decade that Putin meddling could easily cause a refugee crisis and there has been a sharp turn against immigration by the world in general.
And frankly, any "deal" is a no go without EU peacekeepers at least, unfortunately my opinion is this is an absolute non-starter for Putin.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
THe one where he has compromising information on Trump but not Biden.