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Not Actually Brian Hunter
Julio, you misunderstand. 2003 was a preemptive war. This would be a preventative war. It is completely different.
Global Events & Politics Überthread
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57Brave
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Brian Schatz
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5h
They have lied about almost everything. There is no reason to suddenly give
them the benefit of the doubt because they took a precipitous military action.
Instead, our deepest skepticism, our toughest oversight, our most probing questions,
must come now.
@brianschatz
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5h
They have lied about almost everything. There is no reason to suddenly give
them the benefit of the doubt because they took a precipitous military action.
Instead, our deepest skepticism, our toughest oversight, our most probing questions,
must come now.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Good with ghazals.
striker42
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AOC is incredibly naïve. I want peace and think de-escalation is crucial right now. However, the idea that war cannot achieve peace just ignores history.
War achieved a American independence. War achieved the end of slavery in the US. War put an end to the greatest evil the world has ever known in the Nazis.
War should be a last resort but it must be a credible threat. In fact, the only thing holding Iran in check right now is their knowledge that should they go too far, the US would crush them.
I'm no hawk but hard power is a necessary evil in a dangerous world.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
What's happening? I actually agree with a 57 post. Dang it! Near eastern targeted geopolitics will inevitably have ties to world powers whomever they might be at the time.
57Brave
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Ro Khanna
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If you are wondering who benefits from endless wars, take a look at how stocks for weapons manufacturers began to rise as soon as Soleimani was killed.
Defense contractors spent $84 million lobbying Congress last year and it certainly wasn’t to promote diplomacy and restraint.
@RoKhanna
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6h
If you are wondering who benefits from endless wars, take a look at how stocks for weapons manufacturers began to rise as soon as Soleimani was killed.
Defense contractors spent $84 million lobbying Congress last year and it certainly wasn’t to promote diplomacy and restraint.
57Brave
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it wasn't that long ago the same rationale was used to justify the Iraq invasion and subsequent occupation.
We keep using WWII as an example of how war brought peace, but did it ?
Some would argue the divisions after WWII created the Bosnian situation in the 90's, constant unrest in Eastern Europe, the war is SE Asia. Some will argue ( myself included) the current middle East situation is a direct result of WWI geo political gerrymandering.
Over what --- oil --- of course
So what she seems to you "naïve" she can afford to, as can I and you too for that matter- but here we are arguing with those we agree with ( you and AOC in this case) because you don't agree for the same reason.
Or is it fear of being labeled not fair and balanced ?
My mother used to call that cutting off your nose to spite your face. All the same, it is again proven to be a handy tool in the Neo-Con toolbox.
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striker42
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The problems in the Balkans and Middle East far predate WWII. Also, using WWII as blanket justification for any war is foolish. However, it refutes the idea that war is never necessary and cannot achieve good. That was my point.
AOC doesn't understand the necessity of a credible threat. If you are unwilling to ever consider war, you're going to get walked all over in global politics.
That's my problem with her statements. War should not be a first option or one you quickly jump to. But it must be an option. Self preservation is all that can keep some in line.
57Brave
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Of course it is always an option, if I remember correctly, this "credible threat" was held in check until recently.
Why does she stand for criticism by the never Trumpers yet Graham and his bombast seems to get a pass
Along those lines, what adjective would one apply to the Hawks of (R) ?
You might want to look up the names and bios inside the NSA these days. Underline or color code the Bolton faction
As one poster above noted, regime change in Iran under any pretense has been a (R) goal for 40 years
and this ---
"We have got to try to work out these conflicts in a way that does not involve war. That's my mission"
- Sen Sanders today in Iowa
My guess is that she (as I) agrees with Sen Sanders
No more or less.
this was un necessary
And where were the "never Trumpers" in 2003 and 2010 ?
Why does she stand for criticism by the never Trumpers yet Graham and his bombast seems to get a pass
Along those lines, what adjective would one apply to the Hawks of (R) ?
You might want to look up the names and bios inside the NSA these days. Underline or color code the Bolton faction
As one poster above noted, regime change in Iran under any pretense has been a (R) goal for 40 years
and this ---
"We have got to try to work out these conflicts in a way that does not involve war. That's my mission"
- Sen Sanders today in Iowa
My guess is that she (as I) agrees with Sen Sanders
No more or less.
this was un necessary
And where were the "never Trumpers" in 2003 and 2010 ?
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57Brave
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wish we had a tally of "wars to end all wars"
cajunrevenge
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The problem with this strike is that IMPOTUS has no credibility. He lies so much that at this point its best to assume he is lying until proven otherwise. Nothing he does is for the benefit of anyone but himself. I really wonder if this is a QPQ to keep Bolton quiet. We all k omw how much he wants Americans to die in Iran. He probably Jack's off thinking about it.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
https://www.thenational.ae/world/me...s-to-discuss-withdrawal-of-us-troops-1.960145
Maybe killing Suleimani will have the felicitous effect of bringing the troops home.
Maybe killing Suleimani will have the felicitous effect of bringing the troops home.
If that’s true, they are a bunch of ****ing morons. The only reason that government still stands is due to the America Military.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
All they have to look at is our recent treatment of the Kurds in Syria to see what kind of reliable ally we are.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
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After initially rejecting the Suleimani option on Dec. 28 and authorizing airstrikes on an Iranian-backed Shia militia group instead, a few days later Mr. Trump watched, fuming, as television reports showed Iranian-backed attacks on the American Embassy in Baghdad, according to Defense Department and administration officials.
By late Thursday, the president had gone for the extreme option. Top Pentagon officials were stunned.
After initially rejecting the Suleimani option on Dec. 28 and authorizing airstrikes on an Iranian-backed Shia militia group instead, a few days later Mr. Trump watched, fuming, as television reports showed Iranian-backed attacks on the American Embassy in Baghdad, according to Defense Department and administration officials.
By late Thursday, the president had gone for the extreme option. Top Pentagon officials were stunned.
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