Good season everyone

It's clear we're underachieving at the moment but what is all this talent you guys speak of? We only had 1 legitimate all star - Kimbrel. Freeman and Tehran were reserves, though deserving. There was a case to be made for a couple others, but we have a team made up of mostly marginal, on the bubble type players. Yeah, J Up has MVP potential but he's also MIA for weeks at a time. Simmons in a wizard in the field but at the plate? Gattis has tons of potential if he can stay healthy.

Even though he's maybe the best RF in baseball, our biggest talent waste is still Jason. He's had a decent year at the plate but with his strength he should have 30 HRs .... every year. Re-tooling his swing to make more solid contact should've been done last off-season. Pretty soon it will be too late.

Hitting coaches may not have that much true influence but these buys are JUST HORRIBLE. At least find somebody who doesn't make the team worse. I personally think watching video can only do so much. Our biggest problem still looks like everyone is swinging for HRs. They can't lay off a breaking ball because they're hoping for a hanger and they swing through hittable fastballs because they won't shorten up for contact. I don't know. I just can't understand how we swing through so many good pitches. We used to be such a good fastball hitting team.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Yeah I think this team is the most talented in the NL outside of the Dodgers. I think Bobby could have won 100 games with this team. The hitting coach has to go. There is no downside to that move, we can't possibly get worse at hitting. Fredi needs to go for more reasons than I feel like listing. BJ has to go too even if we have to release him. He is a cancer and I think it affects other players negatively.
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You are delutional.

The team has 2 legit, very good bats; another one that is close to that level, but doesn't stay on the field; and an above average bat in Heyward. The remaining guys are essentially automatic outs (or in TLSs case, someone with zero pop). You can't field a lineup with 5 automatic outs and expect to have a good offense.

The bullpen is solid, but lacks depth. The rotation consists of a couple solid young guys, a decent vet, and a guy off the scrap heap. Essentially a group of mid 3 ERA guys.

Fredi certainly did the team no favors, but the team also doesn't have the talent to be a 90-95 win team. 100 is ****ing insane.
 
Heyward said:
Sorry for being a dick to some, well, all of you.

Unfortunately i ended up being right again.

Like Niners, i'll be in the BBQ mostly.

Lot of changes need to be made to get back to the playoff (WC?)
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You were right, again?

Wasn't it you all of last year telling us how the Nats were gonna catch us?
 
gilesfan said:
You are delutional.

The team has 2 legit, very good bats; another one that is close to that level, but doesn't stay on the field; and an above average bat in Heyward. The remaining guys are essentially automatic outs (or in TLSs case, someone with zero pop). You can't field a lineup with 5 automatic outs and expect to have a good offense.

The bullpen is solid, but lacks depth. The rotation consists of a couple solid young guys, a decent vet, and a guy off the scrap heap. Essentially a group of mid 3 ERA guys.

Fredi certainly did the team no favors, but the team also doesn't have the talent to be a 90-95 win team. 100 is ****ing insane.
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How many games did this team win last year again?
 
gilesfan said:
You are delutional.

The team has 2 legit, very good bats; another one that is close to that level, but doesn't stay on the field; and an above average bat in Heyward. The remaining guys are essentially automatic outs (or in TLSs case, someone with zero pop). You can't field a lineup with 5 automatic outs and expect to have a good offense.

The bullpen is solid, but lacks depth. The rotation consists of a couple solid young guys, a decent vet, and a guy off the scrap heap. Essentially a group of mid 3 ERA guys.

Fredi certainly did the team no favors, but the team also doesn't have the talent to be a 90-95 win team. 100 is ****ing insane.
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Your just using semantics to try and downplay the team. We have 2 starters with a sub 3 era, guess that only makes them solid. If they were on the Nats you would call them aces.

I am not going to argue semantics. The braves scored 2 or less runs in 1/3rd of their games and still are a .500 team. Not once this year did Fredi hit the best 4 hitters in the top 4 spots. We had the most successful last year with Heywood leading off, Justin second and Freeman third. I don't think Fredi tried that once this year.
 
gilesfan said:
You are delutional.

The team has 2 legit, very good bats; another one that is close to that level, but doesn't stay on the field; and an above average bat in Heyward. The remaining guys are essentially automatic outs (or in TLSs case, someone with zero pop). You can't field a lineup with 5 automatic outs and expect to have a good offense.

The bullpen is solid, but lacks depth. The rotation consists of a couple solid young guys, a decent vet, and a guy off the scrap heap. Essentially a group of mid 3 ERA guys.

Fredi certainly did the team no favors, but the team also doesn't have the talent to be a 90-95 win team. 100 is ****ing insane.
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You're delutional (whatever that means)

we have 2 great hitters, Justin and Freddie, one who's great for his position (Gattis) Jason is very good, Odds are TLS is an above average for a 2B and about average for a MLB hitter. Chris Johnson should below average for 3B but about average for a MLB hitter, last year we had a great offense with the only difference being Uggla not sucking as much (and a full year of TLS should easily beat 2B in 2013) and Chris Johnson coming back to earth. Sure we won't be amazing we won't be top in the NL but we should be strong. The other difference was our bench offensive numbers which considering the talent wasn't all that different, you can probbaly chalk up to static and who knows where that will be next year.

How does the bullpen lack depth? We have positive fWAR guys this year of Kimbrel, Carp, Walden, Varvaro, Russell, Thomas, Simmons, and Shreve. Avilan was a negative but assuming his arm isn't cooked, his past indicates he's much better than this year and it could be just a **** year. And we have lots of depth in AAA we didn't even use this year that much (like Jaime) we have depth to spare.

We wouldn't have won 100, but we had the talent to win 90-95. Our pitching should be enough.
 
The difference between last year and this year is 46 homeruns between Dan Uggla and Brian McCann. Now, they both had to go (one for monetary reasons and the other for performance reasons) but people underestimate just how big those two losses are.

I find it hard to blame the front office for not adequately replacing them though. They were counting on Heyward to hit for his normal power numbers, Simmons to at least stay around where he was last year (but hit less HRs), and CJ to regress but not become the 2nd worst hitter in baseball. All of those are reasonable expectations, and if they had worked out like expected we'd be a 90 win team, or at least a high 80 win team. It's just too bad those guys decided to join BJ Upton in taking a collective **** (not Heyward).
 
gilesfan said:
You are delutional.

The team has 2 legit, very good bats; another one that is close to that level, but doesn't stay on the field; and an above average bat in Heyward. The remaining guys are essentially automatic outs (or in TLSs case, someone with zero pop). You can't field a lineup with 5 automatic outs and expect to have a good offense.

The bullpen is solid, but lacks depth. The rotation consists of a couple solid young guys, a decent vet, and a guy off the scrap heap. Essentially a group of mid 3 ERA guys.

Fredi certainly did the team no favors, but the team also doesn't have the talent to be a 90-95 win team. 100 is ****ing insane.
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This.

Giles is right.

We have 2 consistent bats, Jason, and the rest is hit or miss literally.
 
Heywood/Gattis/Justin/Freeman are a good core for the offense. We don't need all star hitters to fill out the lineup just role players. Those are supposedly the easy ones to find. It's hard to get another Freeman or JUpton. Compared to the Nats our top 4 tgat played at least half a season are 143, 136, 131, and 110 in run creation. The Nats top 4 are at 136, 129, 126, and 115. The difference comes in the other 4 hitters. All we need is average offensive production from those other 4 to be even with the Nats starting offense. That shouldn't be that hard to do. Assuming no more starting players fall off a cliff next year.
 
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