Govt. Shutdown

weso1 said:
I'm not disagreeing with your facts. I added perspective which you ignore as per usual. You're essentially saying that because tea party pubs hate the deal it makes the deal unreasonable. Quite a turn around for you. Look at the offer and tell me what's unreasonable.
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Never said I find it unreasonable - you are assuming I would.
What I said was Republicans find it unreasonable.
I do disagree with the perspective you provided though. Because I don't see anyone in Congress with (TP) after their name. The people that held up the process had (R) behind their name.

My perspective? (R) made a deal with the devil after the 2008 election. As the devil is prone to do, he calls in his chits.
 
57Brave said:
Never said I find it unreasonable - you are assuming I would.
What I said was Republicans find it unreasonable.
I do disagree with the perspective you provided though. Because I don't see anyone in Congress with (TP) after their name. The people that held up the process had (R) behind their name.

My perspective? (R) made a deal with the devil after the 2008 election. As the devil is prone to do, he calls in his chits.
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Your argument makes no sense. Let's just move on as I don't see this going anywhere.
 
weso1 said:
I'm not disagreeing with your facts. I added perspective which you ignore as per usual. You're essentially saying that because tea party pubs hate the deal it makes the deal unreasonable. Quite a turn around for you. Look at the offer and tell me what's unreasonable.
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Weso, I think the question isn't if it's a reasonable demand, as part of a negotiation, but if it's reasonable to use the budget as a vehicle to demand changes in the ACA.
 
Julio3000 said:
Weso, I think the question isn't if it's a reasonable demand, as part of a negotiation, but if it's reasonable to use the budget as a vehicle to demand changes in the ACA.
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That's a whole other question. I disagree with the shutdown in this case, but have no problem with using the debt ceiling as a vehicle. Because I know lawmakers will never allow us to go deep into default, and likely we'll never even go past the deadline without a deal. It's all fearmongering.
 
When's the last time an actual budget has passed? There's not a budget process, it's just called kicking it down the can so future generations can pay back this debt. Every worker in the country owes $123,000 just because of how reckless we are at spending. If you're not going to do something now, they never will.

Wish they would raise the debt ceiling but keep the 14% paid vacation going.
 
With the republicans' public fumbling of this whole situation, what gets lost is the people in Congress who continue to pass funding without any sense whatsoever of cutting spending and trying to work for a balanced budget and no regard for how future generations will have to deal with the consequences.
 
weso1 said:
Your argument makes no sense. Let's just move on as I don't see this going anywhere.
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wasn't meant to go anywhere I simply thought your assessment ludicrous . Since 2010 TBaggers and (R) were interchangeable entities.

Again I thought (R) accepted the tea Party strictly as a vehicle to get those votes. A movement that held hard feelings Anti-Obama votes. And I might add not over policy- because those most visibly opposed had the most to gain by Obama policies - and I would argue the most to lose following Koch Brothers and the other funders of the TBagg bumper sticker movement. Because in the end that is all the TParty was - a bumper sticker
 
Good thing the clean resolution included $2 billion earmark for Kentucky. Nothing to see here guys, nothing to see.
 
zitothebrave said:
Lol, you don't think they're in cohorts? This lets paul keep his rep as a fiscal conservative and feed his donors.
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Considering the Republicans seem to want to distance themselves as far away as possible from senators and representatives like Paul, no I don't think they're in cohorts. I think McConnell is just being the slimeball he's always been.
 
McConnell is a slimeball, but he's not gonna try to distance himself from Paul. Paul on a VP ticket would be their dream.
 
I'm amazed that Nancy Pelosi can deliver the votes every single time. Contrast that with Boehner.
 
KeithLockhart said:
There isn't an internal civil war amongst Democrats as there is on the right.
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Remember when the Jets had all those egos and eff-ups, and screwballs but they were winning at the time, getting to the AFC championship game so they got along just fine, then they started losing and the whole thing went to sh!t overnight?? The Dems were in the same boat just a few years ago and the Repubs were flying high, now they lose a couple of elections and all the cracks start to widen and all those stupid idiosyncrasies that were kinda cute yesterday, are annoying as bleeping hell today... IMO the sooner the Repubs and organized religion part ways the sooner both will be healthier, and the sooner the TEA nutjobs go jump off a cliff the sooner we'll all be doing better.

The Dems absolutely suck but they're mopping the floor with the Repubs and everybody who isn't a talk radio zombie can see it. That's not a good situation for them or the country. As I've said for about the last freakin' decade the Repubs need a REAL come to Jesus session, sadly the organized religion Elmer Gantries have them convinced they speak for God and he told them that Michelle Bachman, et al is going to lead them to the promised land...
 
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