Grading Waldrep's Stuff

Southcack77 said:
I mean if we can isolate the effectiveness of the pitch now when it's apparently in good sequence with other quality pitches...

Seems like we could isolate it when it wasn't in sequence with good pitches and see just how shitty it was on its own?
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Is the argument about a shitty splitter or the revamped mechanisms allowing him to get to a pitch that can get people out?
 
Southcack77 said:
Pretty sure the contention is the splitter is itself shitty but I could be wrong.
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I don’t think the contention is that it’s shitty per se. The contention is that, while solid, it’s not an elite death-pitch splitter, just a useable pitch that needs to be properly sequenced with other quality pitches to be optimally effective.
 
Deester11 said:
Lmfao....I just want to know who said it was deadly. That word has caused much consternation 😂😂😂
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Think a FG write up called it deadly.

So far the results this year have been deadly while the data are not. So is it deadly without deadly data? Or is it deadly solely based on deadly sequencing and or deadly tunneling while just being average?
 
Enscheff said:
I find it a little odd that some folks are having such a hard time understanding a pitch that isn't remarkable itself can be effective when part of a sequence including other pitches, some of which are remarkable themselves.

And now that the discussion has moved into the realm of arguing semantics, I'll leave interpretation of the movement data to the reader. That data is freely available for all to see and compare to the movement data of other pitches thrown by other pitchers.
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Yeah, it's like saying throwing rock in a game of rock paper scissors is bad because rock isn't exceptional. If you have no idea what is coming, rock can surprise you

If your pitches all look the same out of your hand and you change speeds and eye level, it can make average movement play up.

In fact, you can have better movement but if everything looks different out of your hand and is the same speed, you'll get shelled.
 
I think the focus shouldnt be so much on one pitch. Pitches work off of each other. The question I have with any pitcher is does he have an out pitch. We have seen so many prospects come up who cant put batters away. They keep fouling pitches off until they can something to hit or walk. Almost all his strikeouts come from the Splitter. Its his most used pitch and the best results have been 1 single. Its got a whiff rate of 55%! That tells me all I need to know. His curveball grades out well I hear and that shows in the Whiff%. 66%. Thats all a small sample size against sub par competition so we will see what it looks like come seasons end but if he can dominate the bad teams and just be mediocre vs the good ones thats an all star.


The biggest positive to me is Waldreps ground ball rate. If he can maintain anywhere close to a 50% GB rate he is going to be good.
 
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