Hillary in trouble?

AerchAngel said:
She would be an upgrade we have in office now for sure.
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That would be quite an accomplishment on her part.

I know you can't admit this publicly or you'd fall off the proverbial fence post,ruining your self-acclaimed "neutral" position on all things political, but I feel I should inform you - we are all witnessing a pretty amazing presidential performance by our Commander in Chief, regardless of your voting stripe. Everybody eventually admitted that Bill Clinton was a pretty good manager of the country and I think the same is gonna happen with Obama, and to have done it in such a hostile environment is even more shocking. He's like a hitter who never gets a decent pitch to hit and more often than not is dodging FBs at his head, yet he's still able to drive in runs and keep his BA up.

The Jackie Robinson comparison might be too obvious but it's apt. The thing I've most been impressed with is Obama's consistently upbeat demeanor. I know it's his job to do so, but the way he's been able to stay so positive and focused on his job while his colleagues were openly disrespecting him should be an inspiration to anyone. Surely AA, you can appreciate that. He's still everybody's whipping boy but I'm confident that the tone surrounding the job he's doing is going to change soon. I wasn't an Obama believer because of his youth and inexperience but he's earned some respect and I don't see anyone on the other side who is half the politician he is - except for maybe Trump and how sad it that!
 
Runnin said:
That would be quite an accomplishment on her part.

I know you can't admit this publicly or you'd fall off the proverbial fence post,ruining your self-acclaimed "neutral" position on all things political, but I feel I should inform you - we are all witnessing a pretty amazing presidential performance by our Commander in Chief, regardless of your voting stripe. Everybody eventually admitted that Bill Clinton was a pretty good manager of the country and I think the same is gonna happen with Obama, and to have done it in such a hostile environment is even more shocking. He's like a hitter who never gets a decent pitch to hit and more often than not is dodging FBs at his head, yet he's still able to drive in runs and keep his BA up.

The Jackie Robinson comparison might be too obvious but it's apt. The thing I've most been impressed with is Obama's consistently upbeat demeanor. I know it's his job to do so, but the way he's been able to stay so positive and focused on his job while his colleagues were openly disrespecting him should be an inspiration to anyone. Surely AA, you can appreciate that. He's still everybody's whipping boy but I'm confident that the tone surrounding the job he's doing is going to change soon. I wasn't an Obama believer because of his youth and inexperience but he's earned some respect and I don't see anyone on the other side who is half the politician he is - except for maybe Trump and how sad it that!
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LMAO!!!!

No he hasn't. He has made it worse for our race, most of us is saying that. We elected him to do something, anything to reverse the issues that plagued us. Yes for you whites, he did a great job....to further put us, our race, behind the 8-ball, but that is not the point. Point is that he has done nothing, nothing to try and bring our race up, we still have the same issues and he preached about hope and change looking at us, what we got is/was despair and a worsening problem. He is in contempt with most if not all pastors, ignoring them basically and his church, but that is the Democrat way, to divide and make people submit to their of ideology of my way or no way. He is arrogant with his nose in the air, the Super Negro as some of us call him and not in the good way. So no I will never acquiesce to your description of him.
 
Runnin said:
That would be quite an accomplishment on her part.

I know you can't admit this publicly or you'd fall off the proverbial fence post,ruining your self-acclaimed "neutral" position on all things political, but I feel I should inform you - we are all witnessing a pretty amazing presidential performance by our Commander in Chief, regardless of your voting stripe. Everybody eventually admitted that Bill Clinton was a pretty good manager of the country and I think the same is gonna happen with Obama, and to have done it in such a hostile environment is even more shocking. He's like a hitter who never gets a decent pitch to hit and more often than not is dodging FBs at his head, yet he's still able to drive in runs and keep his BA up.

The Jackie Robinson comparison might be too obvious but it's apt. The thing I've most been impressed with is Obama's consistently upbeat demeanor. I know it's his job to do so, but the way he's been able to stay so positive and focused on his job while his colleagues were openly disrespecting him should be an inspiration to anyone. Surely AA, you can appreciate that. He's still everybody's whipping boy but I'm confident that the tone surrounding the job he's doing is going to change soon. I wasn't an Obama believer because of his youth and inexperience but he's earned some respect and I don't see anyone on the other side who is half the politician he is - except for maybe Trump and how sad it that!
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You see, I am and proved that over and over. I am not embolden to the other side either. I pointed out my issues with Obama that pertains to me and my race. I do not like his foreign policy nor his making our country weak before the world. Hilary if she wins and that is in doubt, any that follows him will have to fix that. His other policies I have no issue with. He lied a lot, covered up a lot, but all presidents do it, from my favorite Clinton to my next favorite Reagan. I accept that. But point being I want to say that he failed our race, the ones that elected him in and we are not happy with him. Yes some are happy with him being the first black....well half-black president but that is not enough to get elected, you need to help lift us up. I am going off of that. For the Republicans there is only a few things I agree with and like most blacks, the difference I don't drink the Democrat kool aid from birth. I only believe in the religious side of things like make marriage a union if you are same sex and I am pro life. Foreign policy is different in any candidate. I can't think of anything else I agree with in the Republican Party. Since I am like 90% of the blacks in the religious side of things but I choose not to vote Democrat because of my principles, I am on the fence. I know you don't like that I don't choose a side and stick with it but the problem is like all of you, you want to take your warts with the side and I choose not to.

I will not vote for The Don, only Rubio is close to getting my vote as of now. Carson is a noob and would be clueless like Obama was when he got into office but we cannot afford another noob when we have issues facing this country that Obama allowed, not caused. Billary can't be trusted, Sanders is a loon (Totalitarian), Webb would be decent but no one knows of him. So being on the fence I can pick and choose which side I want to go for and not be a sheople to a party.
 
Runnin said:
That would be quite an accomplishment on her part.

I know you can't admit this publicly or you'd fall off the proverbial fence post,ruining your self-acclaimed "neutral" position on all things political, but I feel I should inform you - we are all witnessing a pretty amazing presidential performance by our Commander in Chief, regardless of your voting stripe. Everybody eventually admitted that Bill Clinton was a pretty good manager of the country and I think the same is gonna happen with Obama, and to have done it in such a hostile environment is even more shocking. He's like a hitter who never gets a decent pitch to hit and more often than not is dodging FBs at his head, yet he's still able to drive in runs and keep his BA up.

The Jackie Robinson comparison might be too obvious but it's apt. The thing I've most been impressed with is Obama's consistently upbeat demeanor. I know it's his job to do so, but the way he's been able to stay so positive and focused on his job while his colleagues were openly disrespecting him should be an inspiration to anyone. Surely AA, you can appreciate that. He's still everybody's whipping boy but I'm confident that the tone surrounding the job he's doing is going to change soon. I wasn't an Obama believer because of his youth and inexperience but he's earned some respect and I don't see anyone on the other side who is half the politician he is - except for maybe Trump and how sad it that!
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Yeah, he certainly has that George W. Bush characteristic.
 
AerchAngel said:
LMAO!!!!

No he hasn't. He has made it worse for our race, most of us is saying that. We elected him to do something, anything to reverse the issues that plagued us. Yes for you whites, he did a great job....to further put us, our race, behind the 8-ball, but that is not the point. Point is that he has done nothing, nothing to try and bring our race up, we still have the same issues and he preached about hope and change looking at us, what we got is/was despair and a worsening problem.
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Thinking his goal was to bring your race up, whatever that means, was your mistake, not his. If you remember, he had a lot on his plate when he took office. Look, I agree he hasn't been the Black savior but I never thought he would be. It was clear from the beginning that the blackest thing about Obama was his skin color, with everything else screaming nerdy White guy. He was billed as a pragmatic centrist and that's what he's been. (Obamacare has not been the huge socialist handout that we were told it would be.)

I disagree that he's done nothing for Black people. He got sworn in as President TWICE! He's pulled the country out of the ditch that the White guy before him got us into, stabilized the economy, killed Bin Ladin and has so far kept his tenure scandal-free. That ought to be enough! You should be proud of the job he's doing instead of expecting him to finally right all the wrongs to your people. That's not his worry. He couldn't do it if he tried. No one can.

What do you expect a Black President to do? Shake his angry fist like those nuts at Bernie Sanders? Take a switch to White America and make us behave? Maybe he should keep Black kids in school and out of gangs? How is he gonna do that? Rebuild public housing? I'm afraid the stuff you wanna see ain't gonna happen, at least not in your lifetime. This brand of capitalism and government was not designed to be fair to minorities or the poor and it won't be retooled just because a Black man is in the White House. If anything, and I think we've seen this, Big Whitey is more determined than ever to maintain his seat at the head of the table. Look how much money they're throwing at the GOP candidates. Capitalism doesn't give one crap about the plight of minorities or the poor. The game is about taking, not sharing. Government serves the money, not the people.

The best thing that Obama can do for the Black people of today and for future generations of Black people is to be a good, middle of the road President, a good family man and not have a messy scandal. Obama turning on the Black power revolutionary or giving sermons about racism all the time would only aggravate racial tensions, imho.
 
Runnin said:
Thinking his goal was to bring your race up, whatever that means, was your mistake, not his. If you remember, he had a lot on his plate when he took office. Look, I agree he hasn't been the Black savior but I never thought he would be. It was clear from the beginning that the blackest thing about Obama was his skin color, with everything else screaming nerdy White guy. He was billed as a pragmatic centrist and that's what he's been. (Obamacare has not been the huge socialist handout that we were told it would be.)

I disagree that he's done nothing for Black people. He got sworn in as President TWICE! He's pulled the country out of the ditch that the White guy before him got us into, stabilized the economy, killed Bin Ladin and has so far kept his tenure scandal-free. That ought to be enough! You should be proud of the job he's doing instead of expecting him to finally right all the wrongs to your people. That's not his worry. He couldn't do it if he tried. No one can.

What do you expect a Black President to do? Shake his angry fist like those nuts at Bernie Sanders? Take a switch to White America and make us behave? Maybe he should keep Black kids in school and out of gangs? How is he gonna do that? Rebuild public housing? I'm afraid the stuff you wanna see ain't gonna happen, at least not in your lifetime. This brand of capitalism and government was not designed to be fair to minorities or the poor and it won't be retooled just because a Black man is in the White House. If anything, and I think we've seen this, Big Whitey is more determined than ever to maintain his seat at the head of the table. Look how much money they're throwing at the GOP candidates. Capitalism doesn't give one crap about the plight of minorities or the poor. The game is about taking, not sharing. Government serves the money, not the people.

The best thing that Obama can do for the Black people of today and for future generations of Black people is to be a good, middle of the road President, a good family man and not have a messy scandal. Obama turning on the Black power revolutionary or giving sermons about racism all the time would only aggravate racial tensions, imho.
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Black poverty has increased significantly more than white poverty during Obama's tenure. Other than that I guess he's done a great job.

He definitely has done a great job of staying positive though. But when you get to play golf every day and eat whatever you want all the time maybe it's not as hard as some think to stay positive.

But maybe you are right and we will all look back on Obama's presidency and see the rise of Isis, the worst economic recovery of our generation, North Korea and soon Iran with nukes, increased health premiums and lesser quality, less states and personal rights and arguably the worst fed created financial bubble and federal debt of our lifetime and think he did a great job.

I'm not convinced many are still saying Clinton did a great job either. Many economists blame his Gramm-Leach-Blilely act as a major cause of the financial recession and most of his tenure was enhanced by the internet bubble and conservative house/senate who reigned in spending.
 
Runnin said:
Thinking his goal was to bring your race up, whatever that means, was your mistake, not his. If you remember, he had a lot on his plate when he took office. Look, I agree he hasn't been the Black savior but I never thought he would be. It was clear from the beginning that the blackest thing about Obama was his skin color, with everything else screaming nerdy White guy. He was billed as a pragmatic centrist and that's what he's been. (Obamacare has not been the huge socialist handout that we were told it would be.)

I disagree that he's done nothing for Black people. He got sworn in as President TWICE! He's pulled the country out of the ditch that the White guy before him got us into, stabilized the economy, killed Bin Ladin and has so far kept his tenure scandal-free. That ought to be enough! You should be proud of the job he's doing instead of expecting him to finally right all the wrongs to your people. That's not his worry. He couldn't do it if he tried. No one can.

What do you expect a Black President to do? Shake his angry fist like those nuts at Bernie Sanders? Take a switch to White America and make us behave? Maybe he should keep Black kids in school and out of gangs? How is he gonna do that? Rebuild public housing? I'm afraid the stuff you wanna see ain't gonna happen, at least not in your lifetime. This brand of capitalism and government was not designed to be fair to minorities or the poor and it won't be retooled just because a Black man is in the White House. If anything, and I think we've seen this, Big Whitey is more determined than ever to maintain his seat at the head of the table. Look how much money they're throwing at the GOP candidates. Capitalism doesn't give one crap about the plight of minorities or the poor. The game is about taking, not sharing. Government serves the money, not the people.

The best thing that Obama can do for the Black people of today and for future generations of Black people is to be a good, middle of the road President, a good family man and not have a messy scandal. Obama turning on the Black power revolutionary or giving sermons about racism all the time would only aggravate racial tensions, imho.
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This is reason why the black race will be a bane to America and why black fathers could care less for the children the bring into this world and not be responsible because whites like you love the notion of ignoring us, not uplifting us. The bold states is plain and simply. We are not a problem the country should address but yet we got him in office. Think about that? Why vote for someone when they ignore your cries, why vote for someone when we have issues and you don't address them. Let's go back to what I said or better what most of my family said, they voted Barack in because he was black, hoping they would do something about us. Guess what, we gotten worse.

Sad really and there is nothing you can say to change what I posted as the truth. When BET and NAACP say this, that is the nail in the coffin. He is and always for whites (I guess his mom white side took advantage of his black African side) knowing he had my race, not me, I am too smart for that, in his back pocket.
 
I agree on most of those things but Bush regime started it, but Obama made it worse and not better and his foreign policy deals are even worse. I do like the Cuba move though, probably his only redeeming Foreign Policy to date, but Kerry was instrument to buff up his presidential resume

As for Slick Willy, not his fault when the internet was invented by Bizarro Gore, but he did not parlay that to a disaster, that is a good thing.
 
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AerchAngel said:
This is reason why the black race will be a bane to America and why black fathers could care less for the children the bring into this world and not be responsible because whites like you love the notion of ignoring us, not uplifting us. The bold states is plain and simply. We are not a problem the country should address but yet we got him in office. Think about that? Why vote for someone when they ignore your cries, why vote for someone when we have issues and you don't address them. Let's go back to what I said or better what most of my family said, they voted Barack in because he was black, hoping they would do something about us. Guess what, we gotten worse.

Sad really and there is nothing you can say to change what I posted as the truth. When BET and NAACP say this, that is the nail in the coffin. He is and always for whites (I guess his mom white side took advantage of his black African side) knowing he had my race, not me, I am too smart for that, in his back pocket.
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Where are these people who are crying and what do you want him to do? You still haven't said.

BET/NAACP: Help us Obama! We voted for you.
Obama: Thanks. But I'm the President of the whole country, not just Black folks. What do you want?
BET/NAACP: Help us! We're dying out here. Help us be successful like you.
Obama: You want me to take every Black kid out of the ghetto and give them White grandparents?
BET/NAACP: YES!
Obama: Okay. Let me get back to you on that.

I'm kinda surprised to hear you take the self pitying argument. I thought you were a personal responsibility guy. You can't have it both ways.

Maybe Obama not openly pandering to the Black community will be a good thing and have a much longer lasting positive effect on lowering racism than if he were spending all his time listening to the BET/NAACP folks.

AA, here's something I found and after reading, think I understand your frustration a little better.

The Rebirth of Black Rage
 
weso1 said:
Black poverty has increased significantly more than white poverty during Obama's tenure. Other than that I guess he's done a great job.

He definitely has done a great job of staying positive though. But when you get to play golf every day and eat whatever you want all the time maybe it's not as hard as some think to stay positive.

But maybe you are right and we will all look back on Obama's presidency and see the rise of Isis, the worst economic recovery of our generation, North Korea and soon Iran with nukes, increased health premiums and lesser quality, less states and personal rights and arguably the worst fed created financial bubble and federal debt of our lifetime and think he did a great job.

I'm not convinced many are still saying Clinton did a great job either. Many economists blame his Gramm-Leach-Blilely act as a major cause of the financial recession and most of his tenure was enhanced by the internet bubble and conservative house/senate who reigned in spending.
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What's a President supposed to do to fight poverty when CEOs think they should be paid 500 times the regular worker or when stock holders are perfectly fine with shipping all the jobs and factories overseas if it will raise their profit margin? Maybe the actual options a President has to reign back big business and big banking are like choosing between very bad and even worse.
 
Runnin said:
What's a President supposed to do to fight poverty when CEOs think they should be paid 500 times the regular worker or when stock holders are perfectly fine with shipping all the jobs and factories overseas if it will raise their profit margin? Maybe the actual options a President has to reign back big business and big banking are like choosing between very bad and even worse.
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lol blaming CEOs I love it
 
bravesnumberone said:
5 pages and we've got arguments about Bernie's economic policies and everyone skirting around the email issue.
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Maybe this will help:

While media coverage has focused on a half-dozen of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s personal emails containing sensitive intelligence, the total number of her private emails identified by an ongoing State Department review as having contained classified data has ballooned to 60, officials told The Washington Times.

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Runnin said:
Where are these people who are crying and what do you want him to do? You still haven't said.

BET/NAACP: Help us Obama! We voted for you.
Obama: Thanks. But I'm the President of the whole country, not just Black folks. What do you want?
BET/NAACP: Help us! We're dying out here. Help us be successful like you.
Obama: You want me to take every Black kid out of the ghetto and give them White grandparents?
BET/NAACP: YES!
Obama: Okay. Let me get back to you on that.

I'm kinda surprised to hear you take the self pitying argument. I thought you were a personal responsibility guy. You can't have it both ways.

Maybe Obama not openly pandering to the Black community will be a good thing and have a much longer lasting positive effect on lowering racism than if he were spending all his time listening to the BET/NAACP folks.

AA, here's something I found and after reading, think I understand your frustration a little better.

The Rebirth of Black Rage
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You are right but by my Christian faith and for my race I can't let the devil get away with it. We/they must open their eyes to the charlatan that used them/us.

Not only they voted for him because he is black, but they thought he would do something, but the opposite happen. You whites are happy with this, why bother to defend him. Obama is exactly what the whites want to keep oppressing us. Being a black president is gravy. Carson might turn it around (he would gladly fill the void Obama has ran from like most black fathers in responsibility) but he is a noob and has no shot. Granted no skeletons in the closet but a noob, plain and simple.
 
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