HRC

haha oh brother.

You recognize that Hilary is beating Donald Trump by like 4 points right... despite all of the reasons he's given her.

Rand would have secured the Republican base, not completely alienated every woman in the country, would have won the young and independent vote.

It's not difficult. A pet rock probably would have beaten her
 
She didn't deny saying it... just brushed it off as a joke

Locker room talk, I guess

I don't think that it's at all far-fetched to imagine that she said it . . . as a joke. It is utterly laughable to suggest otherwise. Is this what you think?
 
I don't think that it's at all far-fetched to imagine that she said it . . . as a joke. It is utterly laughable to suggest otherwise. Is this what you think?

I'd put nothing past our governemnt as Obama has made killing citizens legal.

But just make sure you hold her to the same standards as Trump. Locker room talk (politics version)?
 
I'd put nothing past our governemnt as Obama has made killing citizens legal.

But just make sure you hold her to the same standards as Trump. Locker room talk (politics version)?

There are days I wonder if you even venture out of doors. JK.
 
You recognize that Hilary is beating Donald Trump by like 4 points right... despite all of the reasons he's given her.

Wrong. It's at about 6.5 and growing (and that's by 538, which tend to be a little more conservative on the odds than other places). This is partisan politics; the republicans will mostly always fall in line with their party, and same for democrats. she's fixing to blow him out.

Rand would have secured the Republican base, not completely alienated every woman in the country, would have won the young and independent vote.

Rand doesn't have the rabid fanbase that trump has. He wasn't even in the top like 4-5 in the primaries. trump has his delusional supporters that will stand by anything and everything the man does. Rand wouldn't have that. I think he'd fail miserably to rally people beyond the core republicans.
 
Wrong. It's at about 6.5 and growing (and that's by 538, which tend to be a little more conservative on the odds than other places). This is partisan politics; the republicans will mostly always fall in line with their party, and same for democrats. she's fixing to blow him out.

Rand doesn't have the rabid fanbase that trump has. He wasn't even in the top like 4-5 in the primaries. trump has his delusional supporters that will stand by anything and everything the man does. Rand wouldn't have that. I think he'd fail miserably to rally people beyond the core republicans.

It's still going to boil down to turnout and I think the polls may underestimate Trump a bit on the likely voter scale.

I'm not that bothered by Trump's comments because it's what I've come to expect from guys like him over the years. As the father of daughters (one of whom lives in NYC), I am gravely disappointed and marginally offended by the comments, but having spent an entire adult life in politics, I've been greatly desensitized by the blather that oozes out of people's mouths. OH, the things I've heard! What I find crazy is that when the cameras are rolling, most people step back and become a bit more circumspect with their comments. Trump views the little red light as an opportunity to sprint toward the more offensive and outrageous. I don't know if that's a character flaw, but it surely is a sign of an exhibitionist of sorts. He, and others, view common civility as the burdensome chains of political correctness. I tire of language scrubbing and thin-skins as much as anyone (well, almost as much), but that's something totally different than what is going on with Trump.

But in addition to being coarse (which in and of itself doesn't bother me that much), he's basically clueless. He's run an entire campaign aimed at the lower spinal columns of a segment of the population.
 
Wrong. It's at about 6.5 and growing (and that's by 538, which tend to be a little more conservative on the odds than other places). This is partisan politics; the republicans will mostly always fall in line with their party, and same for democrats. she's fixing to blow him out.

Rand doesn't have the rabid fanbase that trump has. He wasn't even in the top like 4-5 in the primaries. trump has his delusional supporters that will stand by anything and everything the man does. Rand wouldn't have that. I think he'd fail miserably to rally people beyond the core republicans.

Rand would also secure the majority of the Libertarian vote... which is around 7% it looks like falling to Johnson.

HIlary is a bad candidate, dude. Almost anyone beats her except for probably Trump and Carson
 
It's still going to boil down to turnout and I think the polls may underestimate Trump a bit on the likely voter scale.

I'm not that bothered by Trump's comments because it's what I've come to expect from guys like him over the years. As the father of daughters (one of whom lives in NYC), I am gravely disappointed and marginally offended by the comments, but having spent an entire adult life in politics, I've been greatly desensitized by the blather that oozes out of people's mouths. OH, the things I've heard! What I find crazy is that when the cameras are rolling, most people step back and become a bit more circumspect with their comments. Trump views the little red light as an opportunity to sprint toward the more offensive and outrageous. I don't know if that's a character flaw, but it surely is a sign of an exhibitionist of sorts. He, and others, view common civility as the burdensome chains of political correctness. I tire of language scrubbing and thin-skins as much as anyone (well, almost as much), but that's something totally different than what is going on with Trump.

But in addition to being coarse (which in and of itself doesn't bother me that much), he's basically clueless. He's run an entire campaign aimed at the lower spinal columns of a segment of the population.

I'll be surprised if she doesn't win by 5+ points in the popular. The electoral college looks like a massacre. I think Obama would win by more, for sure.

I wouldn't be bothered by his words if they weren't physically true and potentially harmful. He didn't say he wanted to grab women, he said he did it, and bragged about it. No two ways, that is sexual assault that he admitted to and bragged about. And he apparently doesn't see the problem with what he admitted to. It's pretty scary.

I'm not sure what the bigger issue is, but yes, not knowing a damn thing about a damn thing is frightening in it's own right.
 
Rand would also secure the majority of the Libertarian vote... which is around 7% it looks like falling to Johnson.

HIlary is a bad candidate, dude. Almost anyone beats her except for probably Trump and Carson

Johnson is getting some residual R and D votes who somehow think both candidates are equal. He wouldn't have the rabid (dare I say, deplorable) fanbase that staunchly supports him. Republicans don't care about Rand Paul.

She's an extremely qualified candidate. I think she'd lose to Kasich. Anyone else, I'm not sure.
 
Rand would also secure the majority of the Libertarian vote... which is around 7% it looks like falling to Johnson.

HIlary is a bad candidate, dude. Almost anyone beats her except for probably Trump and Carson

Agreed. Between HRC's unfavorables and her tepid support from young voters/Bernie supporters, I think many from the Rep field would have had a legitimate chance to beat her. Trump is a jackass and yet 538 had this race as a coin flip on the eve of the 1st debate.
 
i seriously hope that Hillary wins, Dems take the senate and during her inauguration speech she turns to Obama and tells him she is nominating him to the SC for all the bull**** he dealt with in 8 years from the likes that have given us Trump and not putting a ****ing moderate on the bench that they refuse to put on the bench
 
Johnson is getting some residual R and D votes who somehow think both candidates are equal. He wouldn't have the rabid (dare I say, deplorable) fanbase that staunchly supports him. Republicans don't care about Rand Paul.

She's an extremely qualified candidate. I think she'd lose to Kasich. Anyone else, I'm not sure.

Ironically, I think Jeb would have beaten her in a very low turnout election. It would have been a snooze-fest. I think that race would have driven more to the third-party option. I agree that Kasich could have probably beaten her as well. Not sure anyone else on the stage could have done it. Rubio had some early buzz, but I don't know if he was quite ready for prime time and she would have crushed Cruz.
 
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i seriously hope that Hillary wins, Dems take the senate and during her inauguration speech she turns to Obama and tells him she is nominating him to the SC for all the bull**** he dealt with in 8 years from the likes that have given us Trump and not putting a ****ing moderate on the bench that they refuse to put on the bench

Wouldn't be unprecedented. Warren G. Harding put William Howard Taft on the Supreme Court in the early-1920s.
 
Ironically, I think Jeb would have beaten her in a very low turnout election. It would have been a snooze-fest. I think that race would have driven more to the third-party option. I agree that Kasich could have probably beaten her as well. Not sure anyone else on the stage could have done it. Rubio had some early buzz, but I don't know if he was quite ready for prime time and she would have crushed Cruz.

We also have to consider the probability or at least possibility that Trump would have run as an independent and still been able to keep a bulk of his support. As evidenced by some of the backlash Paul Ryan and others have gotten from the right here in the past few days, there are millions of people out there ready to follow Trump to the depths of hell. Given what we know of the man's ego, there's zero chance he would have conceded if he failed to win the nomination.
 
We also have to consider the probability or at least possibility that Trump would have run as an independent and still been able to keep a bulk of his support. As evidenced by some of the backlash Paul Ryan and others have gotten from the right here in the past few days, there are millions of people out there ready to follow Trump to the depths of hell. Given what we know of the man's ego, there's zero chance he would have conceded if he failed to win the nomination.

Good point. There would have been a wide berth on both sides of the middle for candidates to inhabit.

A Hillary/Jeb race would have gone like this:

Jeb: I'm the same as Hillary, but I lack an e-mail problem.

Hillary: I'm the same as Jeb, but I lack a Y chromosome.

I simplify because there are some distinct differences, but you can barely slide a piece of paper between these two on a number of issues.
 
Yea there are negligible differences between Clinton and Jeb in the long run. I feel like Jeb might have fallen into a lot of the same traps as Romney, who was pushed further to the right by the party base than I think he was ever comfortable being. It was the whole John Kerry flip-flop thing times 20. The Jeb Bushes and John Kasichs of the world just aren't suited for primary voting.
 
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