Gonna level with you, I find this to be an employer issue. The chances of a migrant simply pulling the wool over an employer’s eyes for five years are comically low.
I didn’t vote for Trump but I’m cautiously optimistic
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As far i am following nsacpi believes they broke the law by coming here, broke the law by tax evasion, but somehow should not face no penalty for that that sturg33 would face
And somehow the government trying to enforce the laws on the books is why LA is justifiably being burned to the ground
Academics....
And somehow the government trying to enforce the laws on the books is why LA is justifiably being burned to the ground
Academics....
Again, you’re first describing an employer-led issue. I simply have more tolerance for the guy failing to disclose the earnings than the business owner flagrantly violating labor laws. And that’s really less of an immigration thing, I’m just deeply committed to strong labor protections. It’s one of my main issues and both sides suck at it.
But honestly I’d be on board with requiring a hearing and some sort of restitution of that sort being expected for continued residency. I think the solution is to help those that have been here working and positively impacting the community to go through a process for some sort of probationary legal status, and I’d actually be fine with requiring payment on any delinquent taxes for the process, but I don’t see how it wouldn’t be a mighty expensive fucking process to figure that out.
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The current law is for commies. We just need to call it MAGA Mexarations, tell the people Mexico will be paying for the theft of their people and suddenly we’ll find 800 billion dollars for immigration courts to clear the backlog. Hell, we can even put the External Revenue Service on the case and use the DOGE guys to run some algorithms.
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Yall keep saying they are law abiding contributors but they broke the law to get here, and haven't paid any federal taxes since. Both of these would make sturg33 a criminal but Pedro is good.
And the insane left continue to heap criticism on the government for enforcing the law rather than the protesters who are burning down cities
If you got paid low wages under the table, I wouldn’t advocate for anybody punishing you either.
No, they just can’t report earnings because they might get hauled back to their country of origin. If we’re playing out a hypothetical where you’re considering a path to staying legally, it’s absurd to excuse them being here illegally but not excusing them not self-reporting their illegal under-the-table wages to the federal government. Would you rather they go rob people instead?
If you think every illegal immigrant should be deported regardless of their conduct here, that’s your business. But the burden to not pay someone illegally is on the business and I can’t follow you on the journey of treating this as some crucial aspect that undermines the whole argument for amnesty.
chop2chip
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If you were a peaceful protestor mqt, what is the immigration policy you would be advocating for? How would you suggest we police and enforce the existing immigration laws? What should the border policy be?
As much as I agree that the US immensely benefits from the contribution of immigrants (both legal and otherwise), there is a line that must be drawn. The line that I see being drawn at these demonstrations is a bunch of signs that state “abolish ICE”
As much as I agree that the US immensely benefits from the contribution of immigrants (both legal and otherwise), there is a line that must be drawn. The line that I see being drawn at these demonstrations is a bunch of signs that state “abolish ICE”
I’d take a bunch of that money being spent on ICE operations in cities that don’t want them there and use it to fund a robust immigration court system that can handle asylum claims more efficiently and increase the amount of people we allow in on work visas to legally be here. Continue to deport the people here who commit crimes that don’t just amount to being here illegally or concealing the fact that they’re here illegally (obviously there are some things that would technically count as concealing their presence here but aren’t permissible) and offer those with a long-term clean track record a path to staying. Increase border security within reason but pair it with more efficient processing of claims at the border. Hold businesses accountable for skirting federal labor laws, but provide a legal process for employing a migrant who will work at the prevailing wage to discourage the hiring of undocumented immigrants.
I don’t actually disagree with the conservative argument that illegal immigration has been tacitly encouraged here through government actions, but I don’t think it’s bleeding heart liberals, it’s both sides turning a blind eye to keep low wage labor markets up. But now a strong sense of nationalism and nativism has taken hold in the Republican Party and it’s going to disrupt the people we shouldn’t be sending federal agents to come lurk at schools for.
zitothebrave
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If Ice didn't act like riot police people would probably be more chill with them.
A healthy chunk of the sentiment of the defund XYZ police force is people not wanting to be treated like criminals when they aren't. It just so happens that the bozo in charge of this country is weaponzing ICE knowing that it will cause Mass demonstrations and let him live out his martial law fantasies. Hopefully cooler heads prevail and the orange man can be impotent in the office like he is in bed without his blue pills.
A healthy chunk of the sentiment of the defund XYZ police force is people not wanting to be treated like criminals when they aren't. It just so happens that the bozo in charge of this country is weaponzing ICE knowing that it will cause Mass demonstrations and let him live out his martial law fantasies. Hopefully cooler heads prevail and the orange man can be impotent in the office like he is in bed without his blue pills.
I already answered you. In the case of someone being paid under the table, I would treat Pedro and Peter the same. I wouldn’t blindly punish Peter or deport Pedro for failing to report low wage cash payments. But I would fine the business doing it.