Immigrants

I am just glad they are finally mask off in that they don't want any immigrants. It was never about legal and illegal immigrants, they just want no immigrants at all. And if they will take any it's from the whitest countries only.
 
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You guys get so worked up and silly about this stuff

No one thinks that except maybe some 104 year olds that were at Normandy
 
Glad to see this evolution. Gives me hope.

Otoh I'd still like to see 5% of the labor force expelled, purely for pedagogical purposes.
 
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nsacpi said:
Glad to see this evolution. Gives me hope.

Otoh I'd still like to see 5% of the labor force expelled, purely for pedagogical purposes.
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As I said all year, liberals should be thrilled with Trump as long as they wisen up and kiss his ass
 
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They’re on to the MSM’s master plan:

Step 1) Get Elon and Vivek to hold positions on immigrations are in their self-interest as business owners.

Step 2) Have MAGA personalities get upset and be over-the-top Looney Tunes racist about legal immigrants.

Step 3) Have Vivek and Elon get upset in return and say things that offend the MAGA personalities.

The MSM is so good that they can create schisms along the right just by letting the right use their Twitter accounts. I’m a bit jealous of their power honestly.
 
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Congrats to any grifters trying to steer Trump supporters in these confusing times, opposing H1-Bs can be Socialist again now that Trump supported Musk and Bernie is opposing it, lol.
 
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Absolutely crazy that Bernie Sanders of all people would be in favor of protectionist reform/regulation that would increase the cost of labor. Definitely not a thing that would track with his other policies. This would still be getting out-flanked from the left, would it not? Bernie would just recommend other paths to legal immigration, but this isn’t actually a right-wing economic policy, is it?
 
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Absolutely crazy that Bernie Sanders of all people would be in favor of protectionist reform/regulation that would increase the cost of labor. Definitely not a thing that would track with his other policies. This would still be getting out-flanked from the left, would it not? Bernie would just recommend other paths to legal immigration, but this isn’t actually a right-wing economic policy, is it?
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Bernie’s been a longtime vocal critic of pro-immigration policies.

He’s a populist. This is their whole schtick
 
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Ol Bern is just trying to stay relevant
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But perhaps his most significant break with Democrats on immigration came when he was a freshman senator in 2007. Sanders voted against President George W. Bush’s comprehensive immigration reform bill — a decision that drew criticism from Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.

The bill would have opened a pathway to citizenship for the millions of unauthorized immigrants living in the US while investing in border security. Sanders has said that he voted against the bill, which failed after the Senate voted 53-46 to table it, because of the lack of labor protections in the bill’s guest worker provisions.

“Our border is very porous,” he said during a press event at the time. “And I think at a time when the middle class is shrinking, the last thing we need is to bring over in a period of years, millions of people into this country who are prepared to lower wages for American workers.”
 
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“Our border is very porous,” he said during a press event at the time. “And I think at a time when the middle class is shrinking, the last thing we need is to bring over in a period of years, millions of people into this country who are prepared to lower wages for American workers.”
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"Jobism" or this view that the economy is analogous to a lake with a fixed amount of water (jobs) is a highly prevalent view in parts of the Democratic Party. It was the basis for Richard Gephardt's presidential campaign in 1988. Mercifully, most of the party (including maybe Bernie) now seem to understand that immigrants are more like a large number of streams contributing to the wealth of the economy (the lake).

The lake vs streams debate will likely continue to play out in both parties.

The main reason economic outcomes have stagnated for large numbers of people is because of the nature of technological change. Technological change is both labor enhancing (increases productivity and wages) and labor replacing (reduces the number of jobs in certain sectors). It doesn't affect the overall number of jobs. That is determined by other macroeconomic forces. For highly skilled and educated workers technological change has been mostly labor enhancing. For less skilled workers it has been mostly labor replacing (those nimble enough have moved on to other jobs in industries like food services and healthcare). There are some potentially good policy responses to technological change, but as a polity we have not been very successful in understanding this situation. We have instead focused on immigration and imports as the problem.

Of course, some workers do lose their jobs via trade, outsourcing, and immigration. Those things can be disruptive. But to focus on those leads to "solutions" that net are not good for us and misses out on the real reason for stagnation of Bernie's putative "middle class." Those "solutions" are emotionally and politically satisfying, however.

The serious thinkers in this area are people like Daron Acemoglu not Musk or Sanders or Vivek or Bannon. Not that Acemoglu is entirely right or has all the answers. But people like him have a better grasp of these issues.
 
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And this is allowed to happen bc western cultures have been forbidden to admit that some cultures are simply worse

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And this is allowed to happen bc western cultures have been forbidden to admit that some cultures are simply worse

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“You might wonder why they don’t just stay in Islamist countries.”

No I don’t, a coalition of the West and oil-rich Middle Eastern royalty has helped to destabilize the region for centuries making it impoverished and dangerous and leading to highly organized terror cells, many of which we’ve directly or indirectly funded all along. That’s why the violence happens, not the brand of theism they practice there.
 
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