Inauguration Day 2017

Julio3000 said:
No, you're moving the goalposts. Those court cases have unequivocally ruled that civil rights are being violated and your response is "what is a civil right"?

You're welcome to your opinion. I'm telling you that the opinions I've referenced have the force of law behind them, so you can't easily wave them away so easily.

So, if the courts rule that equal protection under the law is violated by laws drafted with the intent of suppressing the franchise among certain groups, you would disagree that peoples' civil rights are being violated?
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And what will happen when the lower courts are replaced by others who don't believe these actions viOlathe civil rights? Will youthen agree with it? I wouldn't expect you to and nor should you expect me to recognize these ruling as well.
 
thethe said:
Out of curiosity how far are you willing to go to end the war on drugs? Are we talking about more than marijuana? Are you talking about users and sellers?
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Just about anything is better than what we have right now. Weed should be regulated somewhere in between how tobacco and alcohol are. It doesn't cause cancer on the scale tobacco does or impare your motor skills quite as much as alcohol. There is a limit people should not drive while high on pot but it takes a lot to get there. Driving while high on pot is equivalent to talking on the phone while driving or eating. I have driven drunk and I have driven high and it's not really even comparable. Bad drivers sober will be bad drivers high.

I would legalize all drugs with the exception of Crack and Meth. I might go with a policy of drugs being legal but you cant have a gun while in possession or high on drugs. I would focus law enforcement on preventing violence. Just spitballing here I could write a book about it.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Just about anything is better than what we have right now. Weed should be regulated somewhere in between how tobacco and alcohol are. It doesn't cause cancer on the scale tobacco does or impare your motor skills quite as much as alcohol. There is a limit people should not drive while high on pot but it takes a lot to get there. Driving while high on pot is equivalent to talking on the phone while driving or eating. I have driven drunk and I have driven high and it's not really even comparable. Bad drivers sober will be bad drivers high.

I would legalize all drugs with the exception of Crack and Meth. I might go with a policy of drugs being legal but you cant have a gun while in possession or high on drugs. I would focus law enforcement on preventing violence. Just spitballing here I could write a book about it.
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I agree that marijuana should be legal. I'm not sure we should move further than that though.
 
Julio3000 said:
So how much violence is occurring right now among what appears to be hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating nationwide?
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This just proves my point. A bunch of leftists can protest without fear from right leaning folks. Do you think Trump supporters would be able to throw a similar event without a significant threat of violence? Imagine if there wasn't a massive police presence for the inauguration or police presence at Trump celebration activities.

Are there places you wouldn't go in this country while wearing a Trump hat?
 
weso1 said:
I wouldn't characterize human walls as necessarily violent either but certainly it is a form of free speech suppression which I assume you are not fond of. And I think you'd probably admit that occurs more against right leaning speakers as well. Imo, there are several reasons for this discrepency.

1) There are more young people who identify as left leaning and young people are more likely to do dumb violent or fascist acts.

2) Leftists tend to be driven more by emotion when compared to those who lean right.

3) A push by democrat politicians and media to unfairly and maliciously portray people on the right as racist, bigoted and homophobic thus giving a rationalization for young emotional people to commit acts of violence and fascism.

I think as long as people on the left continue to push my third point the escalated violence and fascism from the left will continue.
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I do not like the kind of suppression of free speech that you reference. I understand that it's a tactic that is underpinned by a certain philosophy of resistance, but it's not one that I subscribe to. I'd join you in condemning its effect but not agree with your interpretation of its cause.

As for points 2 and 3 . . . er, sorry, no.

Despite the common critique of gushy liberals being driven by emotion, it seems to me that the Trump movement is driven by emotion to a greater degree than anything else. If his very rational supporters are willing to say that his actual words aren't to be taken literally, why would they continue to support him? "Make America Great Again" is what, exactly? A laundry list of policy prescriptions or an appeal to emotion? "We don't win anymore. When I'm elected, we're going to do so much winning." Is that a rational appeal?
 
After Obama's win in 2012

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thethe said:
And what will happen when the lower courts are replaced by others who don't believe these actions viOlathe civil rights? Will youthen agree with it? I wouldn't expect you to and nor should you expect me to recognize these ruling as well.
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I believe that certain court cases are wrongly decided, but I am willing to respect the rule of law. If we don't have that, what do we have? I hate the idea of President Trump but I accept the legitimacy of his election. I disagree with, for example, the Heller and Citizens United SC decisions, but I accept their results as legally binding.

In the specific cases I cited, these decisions have been handed down unanimously by panels comprised of judges appointed by both parties. Again, I provided a specific example that you asked for, and your response is to essentially plug your ears and say LALALAICANTHEARYOUWHATARECIVILRIGHTSANYWAY.
 
Julio3000 said:
I do not like the kind of suppression of free speech that you reference. I understand that it's a tactic that is underpinned by a certain philosophy of resistance, but it's not one that I subscribe to. I'd join you in condemning its effect but not agree with your interpretation of its cause.

As for points 2 and 3 . . . er, sorry, no.

Despite the common critique of gushy liberals being driven by emotion, it seems to me that the Trump movement is driven by emotion to a greater degree than anything else. If his very rational supporters are willing to say that his actual words aren't to be taken literally, why would they continue to support him? "Make America Great Again" is what, exactly? A laundry list of policy prescriptions or an appeal to emotion? "We don't win anymore. When I'm elected, we're going to do so much winning." Is that a rational appeal?
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Certainly there are some Trump supporters who are emotional, but generally speaking psychology studies have shown that those who lean left tend to be more emotionally driven. And on the surface it makes sense. Younger people tend to be more emotional, women tend to be more emotional and those in the arts tend to be more emotional. These three groups lean pretty heavily to the left.

As for point 3, I'm surprised you summarily dismiss it. You honestly don't think democrats in the media and in politics have tried to portray conservatives the way I described?
 
thethe said:
I agree that marijuana should be legal. I'm not sure we should move further than that though.
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Freedom isn't just the opportunity to make "good" decisions because what is good is subjective. Many of the worst atrocities were carried out by people who thought they were doing good. Abolitionists were hated in their day. People supporting interracial marriage or desegregation were seen as the bad guys by a lot of people. When we get away from requiring a victim or intended victim to send people to prison we set up the proverbial slippery slope for all kinds of immoral laws.

Don't confuse supporting legalization of a drug as encouraging people to use it. The drugs are out there and people are going to abuse them regardless of what the law is.

I think the negative effects of legalizing drugs pails in comparison to the damage done by the war on drugs because the drugs are still widely available even while illegal. All the violence they blame on the drugs are actually are caused by the lucrative black market prohibition causes.
 
why does Trump keep talking about the size of inaugural crowd ?

and why did he shut down Dept of Interior twitter sites that showed photos ?
 
I mean, it's an inconsequential sideline, but I'm amazed that the Trump WH chose to make their first media address about criticizing the media for their coverage of the inauguration crowds.

Seriously? All the ridiculous "day one" promises that are made and they're gonna ignore it all and tell people that chicken **** is chicken salad.

Homey, we can see the pictures.
 
When I turned on the inauguration they spent about 10 minutes saying how small the crowd was compared to Obama. It's not odd that they would say it but they kept saying it over and over and over to the point where it was a little weird. Love him or hate him Obama's inauguration was far more historic than Trump's for obvious reasons.
 
I guess if Trump hadn't equated his ability to draw a crowd with his popular mandate AND suggested that he would draw record crowds to his inaugural, it wouldn't be so worthy of remark.
 
I do hope Trump will eventually be able to get past this petty stuff. The media and him went to war and he won. Everyone knows it. He doesn't need to keep telling us.
 
Seriously, the cat spends his inaugural address talking about how our country is coming apart at the seams and today they're talking about crowds. Okay, President Micro-Peen.
 
Julio3000 said:
Seriously, the cat spends his inaugural address talking about how our country is coming apart at the seams and today they're talking about crowds. Okay, President Micro-Peen.
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To be fair the media is taking every opportunity to suppress the Trump, economic populist, anti establishment movement every chance they get. Trump lays up a couple of softballs for them to hit but lets not act like the media is an innocent player in this. They are doing everything they can to delegitimize Trump so that they don't lose their own power.
 
thethe said:
I do hope Trump will eventually be able to get past this petty stuff. The media and him went to war and he won. Everyone knows it. He doesn't need to keep telling us.
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I don't see him dropping it anytime soon.

I think he'll continue to use it as a "get out of jail" card. Anytime someone criticizes him, be it a journalist, political analyst, or tv opinion personality he will draw on the media card again.

If he dropped that narrative it'd completely go against his underdog character he's been forcing down people the last year and a half.
 
Forever Fredi said:
I don't see him dropping it anytime soon.

I think he'll continue to use it as a "get out of jail" card. Anytime someone criticizes him, be it a journalist, political analyst, or tv opinion personality he will draw on the media card again.

If he dropped that narrative it'd completely go against his underdog character he's been forcing down people the last year and a half.
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Thats fair. I could see that happening unfortunately.

As I've said before this stuff is not a concern to me. I have laid out the items I want to see done during a Trump presidency and if accomplished he will be considered a resounding success.
 
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