International News, Rumor and Signing Thread

CJ9 said:
He was the only player that I didn't see listed with the place he'd likely sign. Hopefully that means we're still in it for him. That would make this list much better for us.
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#2, #4, and #13 are all listed with no favorites. Laz at #4 might blow the budget to much.. but I wouldn't mind the hard thrower at #2
 
You would have to assume that if this ranking is true, the Padres either won't be able to afford all of them plus Armenteros...or they are going to go bonkers far and above what we're going to do.
 
smootness said:
You would have to assume that if this ranking is true, the Padres either won't be able to afford all of them plus Armenteros...or they are going to go bonkers far and above what we're going to do.
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#3 and #5 are not from Cuba.. so they may not command a ton of money.. but yes, I do agree with your statement. They wouldn't be able to sign #3, #4, and #5 and not go ridiculously over..

Same for the Braves though.. if we are linked to #1, #17, #18, #21,#23 and #25.. how could we squeeze in Lazo at #4... But that would be an insane draft..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
#3 and #5 are not from Cuba.. so they may not command a ton of money.. but yes, I do agree with your statement. They wouldn't be able to sign #3, #4, and #5 and not go ridiculously over..

Same for the Braves though.. if we are linked to #1, #17, #18, #21,#23 and #25.. how could we squeeze in Lazo at #4... But that would be an insane draft..
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It all just depends on how much we're ok with spending. If Gutierrez is truly ranked 17, he won't cost that much, but I've already seen him with a supposed price tag of a couple million or so...which would mean that other teams also don't buy that he's 17.

But I would think that those 5 guys total should cost less than $10 million. If that's the case, we could potentially afford Armenteros. If we 'only' end up spending $10 million or so, then we may have set aside too much for the international budget.
 
smootness said:
It all just depends on how much we're ok with spending. If Gutierrez is truly ranked 17, he won't cost that much, but I've already seen him with a supposed price tag of a couple million or so...which would mean that other teams also don't buy that he's 17.

But I would think that those 5 guys total should cost less than $10 million. If that's the case, we could potentially afford Armenteros. If we 'only' end up spending $10 million or so, then we may have set aside too much for the international budget.
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if we get those guys for 10 million, then we will make a splash on someone else. I think the budget is 30 million last I heard. I don't remember the penalty cap, but that 10 million would be roughly 15 million if I am remembering right. leaving 15 million to blow on Lazo.. then they would have to pony up another 15 million for the penalty.
 
smootness said:
It all just depends on how much we're ok with spending. If Gutierrez is truly ranked 17, he won't cost that much, but I've already seen him with a supposed price tag of a couple million or so...which would mean that other teams also don't buy that he's 17.

But I would think that those 5 guys total should cost less than $10 million. If that's the case, we could potentially afford Armenteros. If we 'only' end up spending $10 million or so, then we may have set aside too much for the international budget.
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Looking at last year's rankings of our top guys and what they signed for, Christian Pache was ranked higher than Derian Cruz by some services, but signed for less. Only these guys know their markets.
 
smootness said:
It all just depends on how much we're ok with spending. If Gutierrez is truly ranked 17, he won't cost that much, but I've already seen him with a supposed price tag of a couple million or so...which would mean that other teams also don't buy that he's 17.

But I would think that those 5 guys total should cost less than $10 million. If that's the case, we could potentially afford Armenteros. If we 'only' end up spending $10 million or so, then we may have set aside too much for the international budget.
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Last year there were 19 international signings (not including the Cubans) who went for 1.5M or higher. If we sign the six we are linked to, I'm guessing the total for those six will be around 12M.
 
I don't mean to make huge judgements on one-minute videos, but that Yenci Pena video on the rankings was really impressive. Frame to fill out and a really good swing.
 
There is a TON of variance when it comes to these rankings. I wouldn't fret too much about someone like Gutierrez being ranked #17, because he still has that huge upside we have read about. BA could end up ranking him top 5 for all we know.
 
Deester11 said:
Great post and I agree. I'm really excited about Severino and Guiterrez though. Second hand reports by Kiley last year had both top 10. With Cruz, Pache and this years class, I'm ecstatic. Of course I'm with the group. If we're going over, let's go!
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Yeah, the scouting reports there didn't really match up with what Kiley was saying on Guiterrez on his power grade. Kiley was saying he had huge power.
 
Gutierrez has a strange swing, it's not a big surprise that they don't grade him that well there.

But man, Maitan's swing is so sweet for a 16-year-old kid.
 
CJ9 said:
Anyone have a link to those Kiley articles? I'd love to go back and read them now.
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Couple here that I could find. He had a larger one on the 2016 international class that he did right before he left FG for the Braves that I can't seem to find.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/the-next-elite-july-2nd-prospect/

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/introducing-the-july-2-sortable-board/

ETA Here is the one comparing Gutierrez to Piazza:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/july-2nd-plans-are-coming-into-focus/
 
smootness said:
Gutierrez has a strange swing, it's not a big surprise that they don't grade him that well there.

But man, Maitan's swing is so sweet for a 16-year-old kid.
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I haven't really seen any film on him, but Kiley was saying scouts were making Piazza comparisons on the kids power tool, and mentions his raw power in multiple articles. That doesn't really jive with a 40 power tool.
 
auyushu said:
I haven't really seen any film on him, but Kiley was saying scouts were making Piazza comparisons on the kids power tool, and mentions his raw power in multiple articles. That doesn't really jive with a 40 power tool.
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Click on him in that article, and you'll get the scouting report with a video link. Watch that video. I'm no expert scout, but that is not a swing I would give good marks.
 
smootness said:
I'm no expert scout, but that is not a swing I would give good marks.
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I'm not either, but I really don't see anything there that's too crazy bad. Not a ton of lift, but no horrible bat wraps, crazy movement, or anything of that nature.
 
smootness said:
Click on him in that article, and you'll get the scouting report with a video link. Watch that video. I'm no expert scout, but that is not a swing I would give good marks.
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My issue with rankings is that they often don't make much sense when taken into context with what they are likely to become. For instance, on the MLB list, at #11 is David Garcia a catcher. He has a 45 hit tool, 30 power, 60 run, 40 arm, 55 field. Then they have Gutierrez at #17, also a catcher who has a 40 hit tool, 40 power, 20 run, 60 arm and 70 field. So Garcia is better rated based upon what? His run ability? He's a catcher! Even if he can run now, by the time he's at the ML level he'll be a cripple just like all the other catchers.
 
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