Jace Peterson

I just want to know if Jace is good by the end of the year.

Peraza is going to be 2B unless something crazy happens. So I want to know if Jace is good enough to play 3b, even in a platoon with CJ. Or maybe LF. I think he has the athletic ability to play a lot of places. But can he hit? He needs to play and we can see if he can hit.

He's a strong guy, I hope to see at least some doubles power out of him. We can't have an entire line up of singles hitters......at least I hope.
 
Hawk said:
I don't think that was the point.

The Braves have a well documented tendency to advance talented players up the organizational ladder fairly quickly, sometimes skipping AAA completely (McCann, Francouer, etc.)
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It wasn't, but that's never caused anyone to go back and read the original post closely either.

I threw out a few examples of players who have flown through our system in the past - the names I threw out there obviously aren't the only ones (as you point out).
 
Russ2dollas said:
I just want to know if Jace is good by the end of the year.

Peraza is going to be 2B unless something crazy happens. So I want to know if Jace is good enough to play 3b, even in a platoon with CJ. Or maybe LF. I think he has the athletic ability to play a lot of places. But can he hit? He needs to play and we can see if he can hit.

He's a strong guy, I hope to see at least some doubles power out of him. We can't have an entire line up of singles hitters......at least I hope.
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clvclv said:
"Clearly there are counter points to your argument."

There are, and I don't discount them at all. The point that many are ignoring (still) is that I mentioned in the original post that IF Peraza maintains what he's been doing for the last couple of weeks for another month he, in fact, will be "beating down that door". Another bonus if the situation I described came about would be getting Jace consistent ABs (even if he's playing multiple defensive positions). Just as Carp mentions, Callaspo has been playing playing so well that it's tough to justify giving Jace all the ABs (and we haven't seen anyone with a pressing need to come looking for Alberto or the other veterans just yet).

If some of you will pause just long enough to digest what I said, you'll understand that I'm just pointing out what I think could happen in a month or so - I never stated that today or this week is the time frame. Several posters keep harping on the number of ABs Jose has had as of today - assuming he plays most of the games over the next month, that number will be around 100 more. At that point he'll be creeping into that 350-400 AB range at AA and higher. We'll also be deeper into the season where other teams' interest in guys like EY, Johnson, and Callaspo could be growing as contenders start to separate themselves (as well as teams with high expectations begin to panic a bit and look for immediate help - I'm looking at you Gnats and Yankees as a couple of those in particular). June is also typically the time the groundwork is laid for most deadline deals - if someone like the Yankees aren't getting more over the next month defensively than they have from Gregorius to this point, they may well decide to slide Drew back over to SS and trade a decent prospect for Callaspo.
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Pretty much the only reason Peraza should be up this yr is if we are in contention AND we have a need for him. If we fall out of contention and sell off the spare parts like CJ, Callaspo, etc. then there is no reason at all why Peraza should make an appearance before Sept. call ups, regardless of how well Peraza is playing.
 
clvclv said:
Kinda have to imagine Smith's timeframe is somewhat loosely based on if/when EY is dealt. When that happens we'll need a backup/platoon CF at the MLB level - queue the Eury Perez promotion and more ABs available in Gwinnett.

Again - IF he keeps playing like he is for another month. I don't think they're going to rush anybody, but I don't think they're going to hold some of these guys back just because there are marginal prospects a level above them either. Just as I'm saying that I don't personally think Peterson's going to keep them from promoting Peraza when they determine he's "ready", I also don't think they're going to let the presence of someone like Todd Cunningham get in Mallex' way if they think he's ready for a new challenge.
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Agreed; although honestly, I hope we don’t see Smith OR Peraza in the bigs this season. The extra year means more. But I’m excited about both. I’ll be driving to Gwinnett more than Turner Field this season.

On a semi-related note, you know what I love most about clvclv’s posts? They always spark conversation that’s spirited and respectful, and the threads are always a heck of a read.
 
Carp said:
Pretty much the only reason Peraza should be up this yr is if we are in contention AND we have a need for him. If we fall out of contention and sell off the spare parts like CJ, Callaspo, etc. then there is no reason at all why Peraza should make an appearance before Sept. call ups, regardless of how well Peraza is playing.
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But if you're planning on calling him up at all this year, or if you plan on having him in the majors from the jump next year, then you can go ahead and call him up at any point this year and it won't affect his service time. He's the kind of guy who will stay up once called up, and he'll be under a year even if they call him up today and keep him up all year.

So if you plan on calling him up in September and never sending him down again, then calling him up in May is the same thing.
 
So, Jace is pretty good huh?

Positive WAR primarily driven by defense and I think we can all see that his offense will be a slight positive as well moving forward if not better.

Incredible that on his own we will probably get more value from Peterson for his 6 years than what Upton would have given us this year. Best part is he might be the worst piece given in the deal. YAY HART!
 
thethe said:
So, Jace is pretty good huh?

Positive WAR primarily driven by defense and I think we can all see that his offense will be a slight positive as well moving forward if not better.

Incredible that on his own we will probably get more value from Peterson for his 6 years than what Upton would have given us this year. Best part is he might be the worst piece given in the deal. YAY HART!
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Way too early. But I like the performance so far.

I'm really hoping the other Peterson will be a masher. Encouraged by his in game power so far.
 
Again, should've been playing every day from the start. Hopefully he's got a strangle hold on it now.
 
I'm really happy with how Jace has performed so far, but he still profiles as a utility guy. If he can develop a little more power, he might be viewed as more of an everyday infielder. As it stands now, he's the type of guy that can give you 450 or so ABs on a good team playing around the diamond.

There is no one piece we received in the Upton trade that would equal his one year value plus a sandwich pick. But collectively, the package we received is looking better than I expected.
 
There is a lot to like about Jace (defense, speed, on base skills), but hit the brakes a bit on him. What he is doing right now is largely BABIP fueled. It would be nice for him to start slashing some doubles. If he can do that, then I can see him as more than a super sub long term.

To be honest, I am mostly wishing for more power because I would love an infield of Jace-Simmons-Peraza-Freeman.
 
chop2chip said:
There is a lot to like about Jace (defense, speed, on base skills), but hit the brakes a bit on him. What he is doing right now is largely BABIP fueled. It would be nice for him to start slashing some doubles. If he can do that, then I can see him as more than a super sub long term.

To be honest, I am mostly wishing for more power because I would love an infield of Jace-Simmons-Peraza-Freeman.
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Well there are a couple of ways to look at that. At first glance his 355 BABIP seems a little high but Jace does have speed and has a 6% Infield Hit rate. Also he is hitting line drives at a 24% clip so with that being said I don't think his 355 BABIP is a fluke based on those numbers. What you have to look at is will he be able to continue to hit line drives at that rate? Probablly not as that's an elite number. He is going to need to slash some doubles here and there to be a league average hitter.
 
Give me a guy that has speed and can get on base at a 350+ clip that also plays above average to excellent defense. I'll find a spot in the lineup for him.
 
thewupk said:
Well there are a couple of ways to look at that. At first glance his 355 BABIP seems a little high but Jace does have speed and has a 6% Infield Hit rate. Also he is hitting line drives at a 24% clip so with that being said I don't think his 355 BABIP is a fluke based on those numbers. What you have to look at is will he be able to continue to hit line drives at that rate? Probablly not as that's an elite number. He is going to need to slash some doubles here and there to be a league average hitter.
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Thats true over the context of the entire season considering how unlucky he was early on. I was mostly referring to his BABIP since he took over the starting full time which is the player I think everyone is envisioning him as. Since April 26th his BABIP is .456, that's obviously not sustainable. The on base skills are a huge plus in helping him become a non negative offensive players (and depending on his batting average, a positive player), but he needs to hit for extra bases or start stealing a lot of bases. Otherwise, I don't see him as a viable long term starter.
 
Looking at what we currently have in the majors and upper minors, three infield positions are spoken for as far as the foreseeable future goes. Freeman at first, Peraza second, Simmons short. Sure there is more uncertainty about Peraza given that he hasn't played a major league game yet. But at this point it would be a surprise if he isn't our second baseman during the next five years or so.

That really leaves third as the position where a range of possibilities can be speculated about. There are outside possibilities as always. But internally, we have two lefty hitters (Peterson and Ruiz) and two righties (Castro and Chris Johnson). It is possible that one of them will win the job full-time. But probably not. A platoon of sorts seems to be the highest probability outcome. I know Daniel Castro's name on this list will raise some eyebrows. He is having a very strong season in AA at age 22. Some of it is BABIP-fueled. But this is his second strong season in a row and he also has a reputation for having a good glove. The Braves currently have him playing short in Mississippi. Also Ruiz' slow start should not obscure the fact that he has the most upside of the four. If I had to make a bet I would put my money on a Ruiz/Castro platoon. This would leave Peterson in a super-utility role, where he could still add quite a bit of value.
 
thethe said:
Give me a guy that has speed and can get on base at a 350+ clip that also plays above average to excellent defense. I'll find a spot in the lineup for him.
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You can find spots for him... At second base, CF, and SS. I don't want that player as my starting third baseman.
 
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