cajunrevenge
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Sickels is my favorite prospect "expert".
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Are you sure? I was told by several experts on this board that Whalen "just knew how to pitch", by "changing speeds", and "hitting his spots". I was assured he had a good chance to be a solid 3/4 starter because he was so much like Maddux. Folks told me he had a "great sinker" despite me showing the pitchfx data that showed his sinker had below average movement and velocity.
Are you sure these experts were wrong? They went off "what they saw", by "actually watching the games". How could they be wrong when basing their conclusions on the super accurate eye test?
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I guess I would measure Whalen on his 360 minor league innings versus his 25ish MLB innings.. but like you say.. keep derping along..
Shall we make a signature bet based around Whalen's future MLB production?
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I don't have my crystal ball out, but I will listen to what you have to say
According to this scouting guide: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-explained-the-20-80-scouting-scale/
A 3/4 starter should be expected to produce 2-3 WAR per season. If he doesn't produce that, I win. We will set the over/under at 2.5 WAR.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I don't think he hits a #3.. not this year. I say make it one season at a specific number. I will say he gets 1.6+ WAR this season (which might be more than Jackson gets his whole career).. balls in your court.
Woah, really? I don't think he comes close to that.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Would want to put a stipulation on innings pitched. I am not sure he gets many starts this year and may see significant time in AAA because of it. I would want 60+ innings or bet nullified/pushed to next season.. I could also take a wash out contingent.. say he doesn't pitch 60+ innings in the next 2 years, he is a bust and I lose.
You think he could get 1.6 WAR in 60-70 innings?!
My plan for giving all you guys signatures requires more immediacy than 2 years.
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Whalen is not that good. I would set the minimum at 120 innings and make it three years. Even then, I dunno if he would get more than 3 WAR cumulatively.
I would rather bet on Jackson doing poorly if I were aiming to bet on the same point.
I would rather bet on Jackson doing poorly if I were aiming to bet on the same point.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
No not really. He needs to start to have a shot at my number, but it is a bet and not really that big of a deal. I would hope if he hits 60, then he was effective enough to grab a few spot starts and end the season around 110+ innings. I threw 60 out just as an arbitrary number.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I said one year, but I have to have a fail safe. Dude is still a prospect.
And I feel I should point out...
You are now so low on Whalen after being called out, you are claiming he may not even pitch 60 innings at the MLB level.
And no, I'm not making a bet that will take 2 years to resolve. You haven't even been on the board 2 years.
Either have enough balls to state a definitive opinion about Whalen, or shut up about him when we talk about him.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I said I liked Whalen based on him minor league numbers, not his major league numbers. I don't think they will make him a starter this year out of the gate. I think he starts in AAA.. He might be a pen guy depending. I never once said he was a #3 starter. I think he is a capable #5 starter at some point.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
So I should just take 2.5 for one season and just hope he pitches enough to get that.
And I also, never said that it needs to take 2 years. I said I wanted a pitch fail safe that would either nullify OR push.. man this really didn't need to be this difficult. like dealing with a kid..