Kenya mall attack

zitothebrave said:
OK I should have exempted that province. Japan would be the better example overall of course.

But knowing the history of that province, the PRC propped up the Mujahidin. Sound familiar?
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Sure it sounds familiar. Its your consistent message that its never the radicals fault. Way to meet my expectations!
 
Sure thethe. SUUUUUUURE.

Not at all similar to you know the Mujahidin we propped up in Afghanistan. It's another part of the world where all we need to do is get rid of our dependence on oil and they can go eff themselves.
 
Question for the board... Let's take a look at our last two miserably failed wars... Iraq and Afghanistan

Afghanistan was because of revenge of 9/11 - to go and kill Osama. But if I recall correctly, it was the US CIA who trained Bin Laden, financed him, and armed him to help us fight Russia... Perhaps, with a little less intervention, we may not have had to deal with him 20 years later.

Iraq was because Sadamm was a mad man who was gonna unlease nukes on us. But if I recall correctly, it was the US government who put him in power, sent him money and weapons for him to fight Iran for us. Perhaps, with a little less intervention, we may not have had to deal with him 15 years later.

There are many many more examples. But I'll start with these two... Did the US interventionist foreign policy have anything to do with what later backfired and helped kill thousands of Americans?

And GF, before you start you 13 year old bitching, I'm traveling at the moment and may not be able to respond within minutes of your nonsense.
 
gilesfan said:
You don't have a point. You never do. You sound like a teenager that read a Ron Paul book and now just repeats everything the guy said. Then when every anybody counters your claim, you run an hide for a day and then come back with more tin foil/Ron Paul crap.

You claim these terrorists only commit violence because they are bombed or having family members that have been killed by bombs in the ME. (yet to find 1 example, it's just more rhetoric) This is an example of Al Queda trying to take over Somalia and forcing their Sharia Law onto the people and Kenya helping to stop it. Thus, Al Queda goes and bombs innocent people at a shopping mall.

The way that you justify terrorist acts (and yes the U.S. has done some terrible **** as well) is disgusting. I just hope there aren't too many young, dumb, impressionable young idiots like yourself that believe what they are reading on the sites you find this crap. If you would actually talk to people that have been over to some of these countries (or been there yourself) you could talk with a more knowledgeable opinion. Go have a conversation with someone that grew up in Israel....someone from Iraq. Go talk to some soldiers that have had there feet on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq. Talk to them about what they believe. Or you can just read some more Ron Paul books about how the world only hates us because of bombings.
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I never have a point? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean I don't have a point... If I don't have a point, what the hell am I posting then?

Funny you should mention the rest of your typical rah rah nonsense. To go in order, 1. My best friend I grew up was in Afghanistan on 2 tours, and told me about some ****ed up ****. 2. My girlfriend's grandfather was in the holocaust - and she argues with me daily about my stance on our support of Israel (so sorry I don't believe we should blindly be their bitch like you do). Perhaps if the US interventionist foreign policy didn't overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953, we may not be facing the "grave threat" that we supposedly do today with Iran. But no, our actions never result in anything bad! 3. I'm actually traveling to Pakistan next month - I'm very much looking forward to it.
 
you didn't even cover that we gave him the chemical weapons that killed Iranians in that conflict

and with that and our policies/support of the Shah and his thugs of torture and killing of Iranians and our total disregard for Iranian elections that were democratic

led to the problems we are facing right now to this day with Iran

never understood Americans on this topic. they expect these other people in other countries to just put up with our **** and do nothing when it comes to us killing their families and destroying their countries

i really don't get it.

edit: i was replying to your 02:32am post when i started and didn't notice my battery was dying. had to go find a charger
 
sturg33 said:
Question for the board... Let's take a look at our last two miserably failed wars... Iraq and Afghanistan

Afghanistan was because of revenge of 9/11 - to go and kill Osama. But if I recall correctly, it was the US CIA who trained Bin Laden, financed him, and armed him to help us fight Russia... Perhaps, with a little less intervention, we may not have had to deal with him 20 years later.

Iraq was because Sadamm was a mad man who was gonna unlease nukes on us. But if I recall correctly, it was the US government who put him in power, sent him money and weapons for him to fight Iran for us. Perhaps, with a little less intervention, we may not have had to deal with him 15 years later.

There are many many more examples. But I'll start with these two... Did the US interventionist foreign policy have anything to do with what later backfired and helped kill thousands of Americans?

And GF, before you start you 13 year old bitching, I'm traveling at the moment and may not be able to respond within minutes of your nonsense.
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I have agreed with you numerous times that the US has done a lot of stupid things. Not sure why you continue to bring this up. I have never said that we are perfect.
 
Regardless of this petty back and forth going on:

I just still don't understand how some of you appear to be rationalizing the horrible acts of terrorism that are being carried out.

I would get it if it was just planned attacks against US citizens or US property or US military personel. Then the connections to our activities around the world would have more credence. But the issue is that these radicals are attacking EVERYONE and it doesn't even stop at non-Muslims. They are attacking eachother. So the question is the chicken or the egg. Is it really our fault they are this violent or was it always this way?

Again, I agree that we have strengthen the flames to a certain extent but the world has a big issue in this upcoming century. Terrorism is not localized anymore and its only a matter of time before it affects every developed or develoing nation in the world as the recent developments the last few years in China shows. You just can't negotiate with a group of people who feel you should die because you don't believe in their diety.
 
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