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57Brave said:
remind me Mississippi's ranking in infant mortality.

Leads one to wonder

a) with the word Mississippi in your handle how you justify your
participation in any conversation involving any aspect
of reproduction

b) considering that ranking why you think your opinion on reproductive
rights holds any water


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I find that sad too. Babies dying in and out of the womb saddens me

ETA... for reference, the total number of infant deaths in Mississippi in 2019 that earned us this high rate of infant mortality was 322. High number, but wanna discuss raw numbers or abortion
 
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msstate7 said:
I find that sad too. Babies dying in and out of the womb saddens me

ETA... for reference, the total number of infant deaths in Mississippi in 2019 that earned us this high rate of infant mortality was 322. High number, but wanna discuss raw numbers or abortion
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I am curious. Do you have data on abortions in Mississippi? Is it broken down by trimester?
 
msstate7 said:
I was talking numbers of abortions nationwide, but here's Mississippi for the year (2019) we were discussing...

Total: 3194

68% at 8 weeks or earlier
17% at 9-10 weeks
7% at 11-12 weeks
8% at 13-16 weeks
Thankfully none beyond 16 weeks

74% black
22% white
4% other

https://lozierinstitute.org/abortion-reporting-mississippi-2019/
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Thanks. I'm a little surprised how rare abortions past the first trimester are. I'd be curious about those cases. How many of those involved some sort of medical complication.

One more thing I'm curious about. Are the medication abortions reliably reported. It seems to me if a woman takes a pill to induce an early abortion it might never be reported and make it into the statistics.
 
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It's logical that late term abortions are less common. It's a more serious procedure medically and you go through a lot to carry a pregnancy to that point. Basically most of the time it means there was a complication or the woman was unable to access an abortion earlier in the pregnancy. It's a bad situation but normally there is a reason for it. I think it will be more complication in states where they are legal though because in anti-abortion states women won't be able to access abortions and it may take longer to make arrangements when they have to travel.
 
Coredor said:
It's logical that late term abortions are less common. It's a more serious procedure medically and you go through a lot to carry a pregnancy to that point. Basically most of the time it means there was a complication or the woman was unable to access an abortion earlier in the pregnancy. It's a bad situation but normally there is a reason for it. I think it will be more complication in states where they are legal though because in anti-abortion states women won't be able to access abortions and it may take longer to make arrangements when they have to travel.
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If only there were a few ways for women to not get pregnant if they didn’t want too
 
Krgrecw said:
If only there were a few ways for women to not get pregnant if they didn’t want too
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I see you focus on the availability versus the unforseen consequences. My main point is it makes absolutely no sense for a woman to wait that long to have an abortion unless there is a reason she didn't do it earlier. Usually this means something changed. Frequently this means serious problems with the pregnancy are discovered or medical issues.

There is absolutely no advantage to waiting to terminate a pregnancy unless circumstances change rather dramatically during the pregnancy.
 
Looks like the governor is just following the law the people of the state passed.

I'd be 'fine' with eliminating all abortion past the first 12-14 weeks but I think we need to educate people more on how they are actual human beings even at that stage.
 
thethe said:
Looks like the governor is just following the law the people of the state passed.

I'd be 'fine' with eliminating all abortion past the first 12-14 weeks but I think we need to educate people more on how they are actual human beings even at that stage.
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The problem is I'm not ready to jail patients and doctors over a zygote.
 
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Garmel said:
The problem is I'm not ready to jail patients and doctors over a zygote.
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Sentencing is based on laws of the jurisdiction.

It should be obvious to doctors that if abortion is made illegal that they could be held legally liable for facilitating an abortion.

Not condoning whether this should happen in a vacuum but if you're practicing medicine in a state you should know the states laws.

If a doctor started prescribing marijuana against a states laws they would be held liable as well.
 
thethe said:
Sentencing is based on laws of the jurisdiction.

It should be obvious to doctors that if abortion is made illegal that they could be held legally liable for facilitating an abortion.

Not condoning whether this should happen in a vacuum but if you're practicing medicine in a state you should know the states laws.

If a doctor started prescribing marijuana against a states laws they would be held liable as well.
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I just couldn't do that in good conscience. This is government overreach.
 
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msstate7 said:
Would the same pill that kills a zygote kill a baby outside the allowed time frame of abortion?
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There are a lot of products that can be used for legal as well as illegal purposes. For example my kitchen knife. I'm ok with government banning certain uses of kitchen knives while allowing its use for other purposes. It would be a shame to ban all kitchen knives because under some circumstances it might be used for something illegal.
 
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nsacpi said:
There are a lot of products that can be used for legal as well as illegal purposes. For example my kitchen knife. I'm ok with government banning certain uses of kitchen knives while allowing its use for other purposes. It would be a shame to ball all kitchen knives because under some circumstances it might be used for something illegal.
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Abortion pills only have 1 purpose though, right?

ETA... I really don't know if I'm in favor or disagreement with this governor. I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning.
 
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