Let's Talk About Media
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57Brave
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Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Yeah, but in a corresponding object lesson on media bias, it’s not correct to say that these stories were false.
1) This one was. It was inaccurately reported. The reporter was suspended and IMO should have gotten canned.
2) This one, too. CNN misstated the date of an email, which mischaracterized the nature of the communication.
3) This one is trickier. 3 journalists got canned over it. But it was subsequently reported that the meeting in question had actually occurred. The ambiguous part is whether or not the SSCI has investigated the meeting.
4) What was reported as a wiretap was actually a pen register. If you’re a fan of The Wire, you’ll know that they’re not the same thing but are both forms of electronic surveillance. So the feds were monitoring the sources and destinations of Cohen’s calls, but not eavesdropping. So it’s technically false, but that seems like hair-splitting.
5) Similar case. DB received document requests relating to people and entities close to Trump. So, again, the story was corrected because it was technically inaccurate, but seems to me that the gist held up.
So, yeah, these are examples of mistakes, but I don’t think these examples, taken together, make exactly the point that’s being alleged. I think it’s good to demand accountability here, but let’s not take at face value what appears to be an attempt to massage facts in a different direction. Only two of the five examples cited are materially false. The sixth is still an open question which may ultimately go either way.
A tangential point here ... we all want the facts reported honestly and correctly. But if you’re going to get spun up over inaccuracies, perhaps you’ll be similarly bothered by the Trump transition and administration repeatedly lying about, well, nearly everything in this sphere. Campaign contacts with Russia, sanctions conversations, the Trump Tower meeting, the statement about the Trump Tower meeting, the Daniels/McDougall payments, etc. Two-way street, right?
Good to know those journalists got suspended and fired. I wonder how many "journalists" Fox fired all those years spouting lies about Obama...
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I mean, hell, that’s a fair point, too. Even taking into consideration the the fig leaf that FNC hides behind of “well, the prime time shows are opinion...” which lets them air all sorts of garbage without accountability, it’s still a mess. They ran multiple stories about the Seth Rich murder which led to them being sued by an ostensible source for the story—even at that, they demonstrated less accountability than did CNN after running a story which was largely proven to have been true.
Then there was the late-October 2016 story about imminent indictments for HRC...that ran on the news side, which is allegedly held to a different standard. It’s easy to argue that it was a more egregious violation than any of the stories mentioned here, and had arguably far greater consequences, but no one was ever held accountable.
Then there was the late-October 2016 story about imminent indictments for HRC...that ran on the news side, which is allegedly held to a different standard. It’s easy to argue that it was a more egregious violation than any of the stories mentioned here, and had arguably far greater consequences, but no one was ever held accountable.
nsacpi
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perhaps you could point to media that meets your standard of "best practices"...i'm genuinely curious...no one's perfect...i'm wondering if your disatisfaction is an example of "the perfect being the enemy of the good"...or as Shakespeare put it far more poetically "Striving to better, oft we mar what's well."
Runnin
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He should sue Trump to pay for his defense.
sturg33
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In a situation where a reputable news sources intentionally misleads the public in order to advance an agenda, what would you describe that as?
Do you think this does not happen in this country?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I’d describe that as, like, just an ordinary Tuesday at Fox News. If you want to have this conversation, I just need to make sure you’re including them.
So you’re defending Trump’s calling the press “the enemy of the people”? Good to know. Now that you’ve planted your flag on that ground, let’s hear you defend it.
Of the eleventy-billion stories written about Trump/Russia, you’ve found, what, two which are materially false? Make your case.
57Brave
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57Brave
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as far as the picture above, AL,Jesse and Bill were speakers. As defined in the caption.
from the page:
" All three are expected to deliver personal remarks on the iconic singer. "
Being my usual gracious self, I will assume you didn't see this qualifier explaining why Aretha's 2nd grade teacher, lawn maintenance crew and housekeepers along with Minister Farrakhan weren't too included.
Stevie Wonder
Chaka Kahn
etc etc etc
from the page:
" All three are expected to deliver personal remarks on the iconic singer. "
Being my usual gracious self, I will assume you didn't see this qualifier explaining why Aretha's 2nd grade teacher, lawn maintenance crew and housekeepers along with Minister Farrakhan weren't too included.
Stevie Wonder
Chaka Kahn
etc etc etc
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It’s a singer’s funeral. If David Duke showed up at a funeral for a random singer, I also wouldn’t care, and would be perfectly content to see the media ignore him.