Looking Ahead - The 2020 Offseason Thread

50PoundHead said:
For some reason, you keep bringing up Dietrich and I can't figure out why. The guy is a subpar defensive player wherever he plays in the field. He's basically Lamb.
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He's Lamb with more versatility - can play 2B and the OF corners. Lamb's not any better defensively than Riley, so he wouldn't be a late-game replacement option to begin with - might as well have someone who has similar pop and can at least try to fake playing multiple positions.

A bench made up of A-Jax/Contreras, Adrianza, Dietrich, Lamb, Tauchman is likely quite a bit better than what we're looking at right now. Tauchman is better than the mish-mash of OFs currently in camp and allows you to cut Ender and still have a LH bat in the OF if Acuna's the backup CF - hopefully providing the Ozuna defensive replacement without being an offensive black hole.

The added benefit is that you'd add pop with Dietrich while subtracting Camargo and ensuring Snitker can never play him at SS again.

Dietrich isn't the target - Tauchman is. Adding Dietrich would just be more of an excuse to get rid of Camargo.
 
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Carp said:
I don't see why we would be particularly interested in either player for more than a song. Newk has his issues, but I'd rather not trade him for 2 guys that the Yankees might end up cutting anyways. We had the chance to pick up Dietrick for a minor league contract already and we passed.
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Particularly when Dietrich hasn't hit the last two seasons and isn't hitting in the spring. Not someone you trade for, IMO. You've already got a washed up guy that was maybe kinda good three years ago on the roster.
 
clvclv said:
He's Lamb with more versatility - can play 2B and the OF corners. Lamb's not any better defensively than Riley, so he wouldn't be a late-game replacement option to begin with - might as well have someone who has similar pop and can at least try to fake playing multiple positions.

A bench made up of A-Jax/Contreras, Adrianza, Dietrich, Lamb, Tauchman is likely quite a bit better than what we're looking at right now. Tauchman is better than the mish-mash of OFs currently in camp and allows you to cut Ender and still have a LH bat in the OF if Acuna's the backup CF - hopefully providing the Ozuna defensive replacement without being an offensive black hole.

The added benefit is that you'd add pop with Dietrich while subtracting Camargo and ensuring Snitker can never play him at SS again.
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That's a bit bold to say Tauchman or Dietrich are better than who we currently have. Tauchman has 1 good season, largely supported by a .333 BABIP and a HR rate that wasn't sustainable. His exit velocity is very mediocre. I don't hold out hope for Ender, but it's more of a devil you know type of thing. And if Ender can't roll, I'd rather give Kipnis a shot of Tauchman.

Our best bet seems to be that the Yanks cut Jay Bruce. I'm not sure why he wasn't brought in the first place. Literally is a perfect match for our needs.
 
clvclv said:
He's Lamb with more versatility - can play 2B and the OF corners. Lamb's not any better defensively than Riley, so he wouldn't be a late-game replacement option to begin with - might as well have someone who has similar pop and can at least try to fake playing multiple positions.

A bench made up of A-Jax/Contreras, Adrianza, Dietrich, Lamb, Tauchman is likely quite a bit better than what we're looking at right now. Tauchman is better than the mish-mash of OFs currently in camp and allows you to cut Ender and still have a LH bat in the OF if Acuna's the backup CF - hopefully providing the Ozuna defensive replacement without being an offensive black hole.

The added benefit is that you'd add pop with Dietrich while subtracting Camargo and ensuring Snitker can never play him at SS again.

Dietrich isn't the target - Tauchman is. Adding Dietrich would just be more of an excuse to get rid of Camargo.
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Dietrich can stand at 2B and the two corner OF positions. That's about it.

Adrianza is going north, so he's the back-up SS. The scramble is going to be for the other IF back-up and a clearing up of the OF situation.
 
50PoundHead said:
For some reason, you keep bringing up Dietrich and I can't figure out why. The guy is a subpar defensive player wherever he plays in the field. He's basically Lamb.
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Dude can hit, if only in a three true outcomes kind of way. He'd certainly make more sense on a team with the DH, but it's easy to dream a bit about Dietrich as a kind of late game power threat off the bench. Though I wonder sometimes if guys with that kind of offensive profile don't struggle more as pinch hitters and bench players than lesser hitters who swing the bat more freely and rely on contact. Someone's probably done on a study on that at some point.

EDIT: He's certainly not someone you trade for at this point in his career.
 
Wow.Didn't see that coming.Makes you wonder if we are going to add another reliever soon.
I thought Edwards did all he could to make the team.
 
50PoundHead said:
Dietrich can stand at 2B and the two corner OF positions. That's about it.

Adrianza is going north, so he's the back-up SS. The scramble is going to be for the other IF back-up and a clearing up of the OF situation.
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No question (IMO, at least). The point is that Dietrich is probably a better option than Camargo and Tauchman is probably a better option than Ender at this point.

I completely understand not wanting to "give Newk away", but when you consider the fact that he's been unable to beat Dayton out for a roster spot, would he REALLY be that big a loss when he could return a true 4th OF and you wouldn't have to pay him a major league salary to pitch in Gwinnett??? If your choice is carrying one of the OFs currently in camp if you cut Ender vs. hanging onto Newk in Gwinnett, that's an easy call for me. You simply transition Davidson into that role - especially if Newk could net you something that could legitimately improve the MLB roster. You're trying to hang onto the guy who hasn't been good enough to be the 4th LHP in the pen.

Davidson and Muller are Newk with more options - keep them.

Bringing guys like Tauchman and Dietrich in removes Snit's "he's one of my guys" thoughts from the equation - it's much easier to get him to play the "right guy in the right situation" when he doesn't have a long history with the guys he's choosing from. Does anybody honestly think he'd have ever played Markakis against a lefty if Nick hadn't gotten several important hits for him in that situation in the past?
 
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clvclv said:
No question (IMO, at least). The point is that Dietrich is probably a better option than Camargo and Tauchman is probably a better option than Ender at this point.

I completely understand not wanting to "give Newk away", but when you consider the fact that he's been unable to beat Dayton out for a roster spot, would he REALLY be that big a loss when he could return a true 4th OF and you wouldn't have to pay him a major league salary to pitch in Gwinnett??? If your choice is carrying one of the OFs currently in camp if you cut Ender vs. hanging onto Newk in Gwinnett, that's an easy call for me. You simply transition Davidson into that role - especially if Newk could net you something that could legitimately improve the MLB roster. You're trying to hang onto the guy who hasn't been good enough to be the 4th LHP in the pen.

Davidson and Muller are Newk with more options - keep them.

Bringing guys like Tauchman and Dietrich in removes Snit's "he's one of my guys" thoughts from the equation - it's much easier to get him to play the "right guy in the right situation" when he doesn't have a long history with the guys he's choosing from. Does anybody honestly think he'd have ever played Markakis against a lefty if Nick hadn't gotten several important hits for him in that situation in the past?
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I'm perfectly fine with moving on from Newk. But Tauchman is on the block because he has no options and is unlikely to make the Yankees roster. And Dietrich was signed as a minnor league FA a month ago. Newk isn't super likely to be anything more than a BP arm at this point, but he's worth more to us than 2 guys who stand a decent likelihood to be cut.

It's arguable whether or not Tauchman is better than Ender. I would say a healthy Ender is a good bit better than Tauchman. If we want Dietrich, we just need to wait a week. Most seem to believe he won't make the Yankees roster.
 
Reds released Dee Strange-Gordon....I know some people here really don't like him, but would he be a better option than Kipnis/Sandoval

Can plan IF and OF, and can pinch run
 
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