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Yes he will. Leaving him off the playoff rosters was a huge sign in my opinion. I think he has a small buyout option too. Around a million dollars.
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Yes he will. Leaving him off the playoff rosters was a huge sign in my opinion. I think he has a small buyout option too. Around a million dollars.
Heyward
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The buyout is for the following year, not this year. But yeah i could see him do it if he doesnt find a trade partner.
Ender's buyout is in 2022 - he's still owed $8.7 million next season whether he's on the roster or not.
Not likely that they're going to DFA him this winter - even if they can't trade him for a bag of balls - since money will be so tight. This is why you carry him to start the season and hope he's good enough to deserve a roster spot until you can gain another year of control of Pache and/or Waters. Nobody's giving you anything of value for him, but if he's good enough to allow Acuna to play RF (most days) until you call Pache up it doesn't hurt QUITE as bad.
Cutting him loose now costs you almost $10 million - if you carry him for 5-6 weeks to start next season you'd save a couple million of that.
DirkPiggler
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How would it cost more to cut him at the end of this season versus 6 weeks in next year? Is there something weird in that contract?
I agree that there is no need to DFA him right now, but his salary is a sunk cost whether he's cut tomorrow or at the end of 2021 (again unless there's something I'm missing with the contract). The only difference would be the potential to get some value out of Ender next year.
PawPawMaxwell
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Every team out there is carrying a bad contract. Enders is made worse for us because of the prospects he is holding up. Find a team that you can deal with and lessen the burden for both teams with a trade with lowered expectations.
If Ender truly has lost all ability to be an average MLB player, just let him sit on the bench being the 5th OFer. If he can’t do that then just cut him loose.
The Braves are past the point where they can waste roster spots swapping bad money around to different positions.
The Braves are past the point where they can waste roster spots swapping bad money around to different positions.
bravesfanforlife88
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I find it hard to believe we would not be able to dump him off somewhere....even if we have to eat half of the contract, $4 mil for Ender is cheap enough someone should bite as a change of scenery candidate with plus defense.
PawPawMaxwell
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If Ted Turner still owned the Braves dumping $9.2M and calling it whatever would be a possibility but for a share holder owned entity to do that following this season would be utterly foolish. Heads would roll everywhere in the organization and board.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Curious as to what the Mariners will do regarding Haniger. I haven't heard any further updates on his complicated recovery from his ruptured testicle. I wonder if they non-tender him.
But to your original suggestion, this type of deal is just about the only way that Ender would get moved. It would require the Braves taking on salary for 2021, so maybe that makes it dead on arrival.
Would it involve the Braves taking on salary? I guess I’m figuring 3 mil for Haniger plus 18 mil for Seager and let’s say 7 mil to sign Pederson for a total of 28 mil. Then subtract 9 mil for Ender and Riley going to Seattle and then with Ozuna off the books it seems about even.
The rest of the money coming off the books can be put towards pitching and prospects like Waters and Shewmake aren’t blocked from coming up.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Good point. I wasn't factoring in Ozuna's departure. I was just thinkng of the Seattle portion of the entire machinery,
PawPawMaxwell
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Haniger is reported (CBS Sports) penciled in as Mariners RF in 2021. So under your scenario where would Haniger play in Atlanta? How would he impact Pache and Waters? Who do you get for DH (Please dont say Duvall)? Another point: If 2021 becomes another shortened season what do you do about Seagers option (s) that will kick in?
What do you do with Pederson? Him nor Duvall can do much except swing for the fences.
What do you do with Pederson? Him nor Duvall can do much except swing for the fences.
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Haniger would be the primary DH. Pederson and Duvall would split time in LF. Haniger could move to LF when TDA needs to DH.
On those days that would then leave Pederson or Duvall available to sub in for Pache while Acuna moves over to CF.
ixiXSolidXixi
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Haniger play 63 games last year and don’t play at all this year. I don’t think we should trade for him specially if we are give prospects away. If the Braves grab him from waivers is another story.
The objective here is to turn Ender and his salary into potentially useful pieces. Seager would be an upgrade to Riley and he’s LH but he costs more and has less control. Haniger is an unknown but he’s low risk high reward. If he’s back he’d be huge for the offense and we’d have another years of control. Otherwise we’re out an Arb 2 salary and non-tender him in the offseason. We also have Waters waiting if anyone gets hurt or doesn’t work out.
It would be hard to replace Ozuna’s production even if we re-signed him so looking at how to reinforce the lineup as a whole seems like a more prudent approach.
It wouldn't cost less in dollars - the hope is that he gives you enough at the beginning of next season to earn his contract while you game Pache's clock. If he does that, you've "saved" that money. If you DFA him, you only save the minimum salary because someone's going to pick him up and give him a shot to win a roster spot on their team - might as well have him come to camp with us after working hard all winter since you're going to be paying him anyway. In the unlikely event he has a good camp and/or starts the season hot, maybe AA can get someone to pay a bigger part of his 2021 salary than the minimum and give him away then.
There's almost no chance his salary isn't a sunk cost once you've gained another year of control over Pache, but if you want to do that you have to have SOMEONE on the roster to backup Acuna in CF for 6 weeks or so. If you DFA Ender before then, you're paying TWO players to do that - whoever you pay to be a placeholder for 6 weeks AND Ender to play for someone else. Just makes no sense to do that when you're scraping to save every dime you can.
There was a blurb on MLBTR a while back saying they're planning on him being their starting RF in 2021. Could obviously be GM-speak, but would seem similar to the situation with Ender - can't imagine they're going to miss the chance to game Kelenic/Rodriguez/Trammell's clocks. If he starts the season out healthy and hot they ought to get something significant for him when they come up.
the Braves are potentially going to have to take some risks this offseason. they’ve been sorta lucky with 1-year dels for legit sluggers falling into their lap, but there need to be more realistic contingency plans.
Southcack77
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Not sure anyone will be lining up to pay Greene serious money this offseason.