Looking Ahead - The 2020 Offseason Thread

ixiXSolidXixi said:
I am tired of AA he signed Drew Smyley, Camargo, Dayton and Luke Jackson. With that money you keep Melancon and Greene. Probably he is working a deal and hopefully Pache or Anderson they are not include in any trade. ��
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Smyly was redundant. We didn't need to invest 11 million in him when we have pitchers in our system who can perform, and we also don't need to waste money on Luke Jackson if those types of deals prevent us from signing a much better player. The same could be said for Camargo. Meh.
 
tululush said:
Lol you can't expect to hit on every 1 year offer you hand out, and you also can't expect to compete every year with a bunch of 1 year deals. At some point you have to pay to play. If you're not going to give out a deal for a legit 35+ hr player, and you're not willing to trade any prospects, then what the hell are you doing? He's very fortunate that he was able to sign Acuna and Albies to their deals.
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AA sets his own market. The issue is if no players fall into this market then we are left with scraps. Sometimes you have to adjust your internal market to meet the real world market. AA hasn’t done that yet. So far it has been great. How long does that luck last though. If we go into the season with a patch work left field as our big offensive upgrade then the pitching signings were a huge waste of money and we should have just pitched our kids to see what we have.
 
I’m not gonna panic until Ozuna and Turner sign somewhere else but I will say I’m really starting to wonder about payroll.
For all we know AA could have signed those pitchers early then gotten a call from the cheapskates upstairs to call it an off-season and wait to make a trade at the deadline.
Hope not but with this ownership group you never know, especially with the COVID/economy worries
 
tululush said:
This is starting to feel exactly like JD from last year. We all ask why hasn't Ozuna signed? Why he supposedly only has one offer on the table from Tampa? Same reason as last year. Donaldson sat around waiting on AA to make an offer, he never did, and reluctantly had to accept the Twins offer. AA probably hasn't made an offer to Ozuna and he's waiting around. He has the Tampa offer but wants to see if AA will make an offer. Sigh.
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Umm, the Twins gave JD 4/92. He didn’t settle for anything, and there was never a chance AA was ever going to even come close to that deal. The Twins are fools, and AA is not a fool.

AA is waiting for Turner or Ozuna to accept a 1-2 year deal. These guys can ask for all they want, but the multi year deals don’t appear to be there for them. AA would be a complete fool to bid against himself.
 
ixiXSolidXixi said:
I am tired of AA he signed Drew Smyley, Camargo, Dayton and Luke Jackson. With that money you keep Melancon and Greene. Probably he is working a deal and hopefully Pache or Anderson they are not include in any trade. 😡
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Time to switch teams? I hear the Mets have made all sorts of deals you would love.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
AA sets his own market. The issue is if no players fall into this market then we are left with scraps. Sometimes you have to adjust your internal market to meet the real world market. AA hasn’t done that yet. So far it has been great. How long does that luck last though. If we go into the season with a patch work left field as our big offensive upgrade then the pitching signings were a huge waste of money and we should have just pitched our kids to see what we have.
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You are correct. If we don't sign/trade for a big bat then we should have stood pat, done nothing, and used the money spent on Morton and Smyly etc. to pay Freddie and possibly Dansby. Either you go all in or you stay out. No sense in being in halfway. Without adding a big bat the offense takes a collective huge step backwards, and players like Acuna, Albies, Swanson and Freeman take hit to their numbers. We all saw what Freddie can do with protection. Without it his numbers dip.

Conversely, if the plan is to address pitching and then figure out hitting at the deadline, that too is short sighted. Whatever resources used to acquire a bat at the deadline will be far greater than they would be now. Plus with AA's reluctance to trade any prospects, I'm not sure he can even make an upgrade when the asking prices are far greater in July than they are in November - March.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
AA sets his own market. The issue is if no players fall into this market then we are left with scraps. Sometimes you have to adjust your internal market to meet the real world market. AA hasn’t done that yet. So far it has been great. How long does that luck last though. If we go into the season with a patch work left field as our big offensive upgrade then the pitching signings were a huge waste of money and we should have just pitched our kids to see what we have.
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It is hilarious watching folks talk about AA as if he hasn’t built a division winner for 3 straight years haha. You guys act like he has already failed because he hasn’t bid against himself to get a deal done as soon as you’d all like.

There is no reason to be the only team willing to give a player like Ozuna multiple years yet.
 
Let’s go back to last off season and see who made posts crying that AA hasn’t signed JD yet.

Then let’s ask all those people if they’d rather have JD on the roster right now, and missed out on Ozuna in 2020.

Then let’s see them explain in their own words why “not having bad contracts” isn’t something to take lightly.
 
You don’t play to win the division 3 straight years! You play to win the title because is so nice when everyone make fun of the Braves fans when we say oh we won 14 straight division titles and won only one.
 
Enscheff said:
Let’s go back to last off season and see who made posts crying that AA hasn’t signed JD yet.

Then let’s ask all those people if they’d rather have JD on the roster right now, and missed out on Ozuna in 2020.

Then let’s see them explain in their own words why “not having bad contracts” isn’t something to take lightly.
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Your logic is sound, but only because it actually was a sound plan that had fallback options, which worked out for us. We opted to pass on a 34 year old player who has started to develop injuries in favor of a 29 year old who has only played less than 140 games three out of his eight seasons, with one being his rookie year so it likely had to do with when he was called up. And the two seasons he didn’t play a full season he played 123 and 130 games.

The risk was quite favorable. Now, if we pass on Ozuna, what big, impact bats are left in free agency? Turner. That’s it. He’s 36 and has only played almost an entire season once. His game log is quite cringe worthy from a set it and forget it standpoint. I know he didn’t settle into his career until he settled in with the Dodgers, but that was in 2014. Why has he only played one full season (2016)?

Turner games played
2011 - 117
2012 - 94
2013 - 86
2014 - 109
2015 - 126
2016 - 151
2017 - 130
2018 - 103
2019 - 135
2020 - 42

It’s one thing to pass on a 34 year old when you have a 29 year old sitting out there who you can sign, but is it smart to pass on Ozuna now knowing he’s 30 with our “safety” option being a 36 year old who has only played one full season in his career? Also it’s been said Turner wants to sign with the Dodgers. To get him to head east and sign with us will likely require us outbidding any offer the Dodgers extend him. At that point you’d have to think you’re investing 3 years in someone. Might as well be the younger, better player in Ozuna.

If AA passes on both, I’m not sure what he’s doing.
 
tululush said:
This is starting to feel exactly like JD from last year. We all ask why hasn't Ozuna signed? Why he supposedly only has one offer on the table from Tampa? Same reason as last year. Donaldson sat around waiting on AA to make an offer, he never did, and reluctantly had to accept the Twins offer. AA probably hasn't made an offer to Ozuna and he's waiting around. He has the Tampa offer but wants to see if AA will make an offer. Sigh.
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And then he reluctantly took the 4/94 that the Braves weren't going to offer if he waited till he'll froze over.lol.

I think that's really romantic.
 
tululush said:
Lol you can't expect to hit on every 1 year offer you hand out, and you also can't expect to compete every year with a bunch of 1 year deals. At some point you have to pay to play. If you're not going to give out a deal for a legit 35+ hr player, and you're not willing to trade any prospects, then what the hell are you doing? He's very fortunate that he was able to sign Acuna and Albies to their deals.
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Why can't you expect to compete on one year deals? Such a strange point of view.

Ozuna has 1.5 notable seasons in his career and is a borderline disaster in the field and you want the Braves to bid against themselves es giving him big money? That would be pretty unwise.
 
ixiXSolidXixi said:
You don’t play to win the division 3 straight years! You play to win the title because is so nice when everyone make fun of the Braves fans when we say oh we won 14 straight division titles and won only one.
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And when the Braves blow their window with a bad contract and win nothing will you tell Alex, it's ok that's what you wanted or will you accuse him of mortgaging the future to produce a loser...like Frank Wren?
 
bravesfanMatt said:
AA sets his own market. The issue is if no players fall into this market then we are left with scraps. Sometimes you have to adjust your internal market to meet the real world market. AA hasn’t done that yet. So far it has been great. How long does that luck last though. If we go into the season with a patch work left field as our big offensive upgrade then the pitching signings were a huge waste of money and we should have just pitched our kids to see what we have.
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If that's what happens then the pitching signings are the only thing likely to keep Atlanta in the race.
 
I think it is a bit of a stretch to say AA ‘built’ 3 straight division winners. He was blessed to have a great young core with Acuna, Ozzie, dansby, fried, soroka, folty, and another MVP sitting at first. He had a top farm and no really bad contracts. He also got lucky on some of his free agent signings. He snagged JD right in the middle of 2 injury plagued years. TDA had a BABiP juicer monster and Ozuna had a career year.

I will agree he built a good pen that had zero chance of holding up for 162 games because the starters blew up and his Hamels gamble busted.

I like AA. He hasn’t done anything stupid is probably a good way to describe his tenure to this point.
 
Since we are quoting Instagram, Ozuna basically insinuated the Tampa deal is fake because until him or his agent release news it isn’t official.

Reading between the lines kinda points to there being an offer on the table.

He said Braves have not offered him anything. He also sus he should be signing soon, “let’s see what happens this week and the next”
 
Southcack77 said:
And when the Braves blow their window with a bad contract and win nothing will you tell Alex, it's ok that's what you wanted or will you accuse him of mortgaging the future to produce a loser...like Frank Wren?
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I am not going to say nothing else because the offseason is not over yet. The only thing i say why signed those player and not add Melancon and Greene.
 
ixiXSolidXixi said:
I am not going to say nothing else because the offseason is not over yet. The only thing i say why signed those player and not add Melancon and Greene.
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It is far from over. And he will sign someone. There is no way he spent 28 million on pitching not to get a hitter. Just not how I was hoping it would go down. Not sure I like the idea of waiting the market out every year in hopes to get a bargain. But that is why I am not a GM and just a whining fan. Thank god for that. I like my role personally

**not the only reason I am not a gm of course. That list is long.
 
If the Braves were truly willing to be the 1 year fallback option for both Springer and JTR then they have at least $20M to add offense.

As others have said, there’s no way AA dropped $11M on Smyly and put himself in a position where he couldn’t fix the offense.
 
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