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Hudson2
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Look back at Sales last 5-6 years and how many innings hes pitched. People were freaking when we traded for him about how long he would last. We need to baby that guy until the playoffs. Fried leaving means we need a Fried level replacement.
That's going to be Strider.
Hudson2
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They’ll baby him next year i’m sure. Cant count on Sale staying healthy 2 years in a row either.
zbhargrove
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No, the whole reason for the brace procedure is to get back much quicker. Plus, lately it seems to maybe be slightly more successful than TJS
What looked like one of the best FA SP classes ever a couple years ago, is looking rather thin right now. Snell and Cole theoretically can become FA's, but given each player's performance this year, it seems unlikely they will opt out. Buehler looks cooked. Bieber just had TJS.
Fried and Burnes lead the pack. Both guys should receive a contract in the 150m to 200m range. You can't count out AA being out on anyone, but it would be surprising to see us sign either one.
Both Verlander and Scherzer will be FAs this off-season. Technically Verlander has a vesting option if he gets to 140 innings, but at this point in the season that will be near impossible. Given our aversion to long term deals for FA SPs and given our interest in both pitchers in the past, I would expect us to be in on one or both of them. That of course is assuming Charlie calls it quits. They both are still effective pitchers, even if they are no longer top of the rotation types.
I've talked about Jack Flaherty ad nauseam over the last 2 weeks leading up to the deadline. He is super solid. If the Dodgers let him walk, I would be all over him. He probably won't get any more than 4/80 given his injury history and overall inconsistent career.
Yusei Kikuchi is also someone I was high on at the deadline. He's a lefty with legitimate TOR stuff if he can put it all together. I don't expect Houston will let him leave, but I would be very interested in him if they did.
If Nathan Eovaldi fails to reach 156 innings pitched this year he could be a FA as well. Right now he's on pace to reach that mark, but if he doesn't and TX doesn't re-sign him, I think he would be a good replacement for Charlie.
Finally, Jordan Montgomery is also someone that intrigues me as a cheap bounce back candidate. While at first glance some might assume he is done given his terrible results this year, I think it's a case of his stuff just not playing well in the desert. His ERA is a full 4.00 runs higher at home than it is on the road. His overall FIP is also 2 runs lower than his overall ERA. I wouldn't hate giving him a shot as our number 5 if we can secure a suitable Fried replacement.
It seems unless we can re-sign Fried or sign Burnes, then we will be in the trade market for a TOR SP. Crochet would certainly be at the top of that list.
Fried and Burnes lead the pack. Both guys should receive a contract in the 150m to 200m range. You can't count out AA being out on anyone, but it would be surprising to see us sign either one.
Both Verlander and Scherzer will be FAs this off-season. Technically Verlander has a vesting option if he gets to 140 innings, but at this point in the season that will be near impossible. Given our aversion to long term deals for FA SPs and given our interest in both pitchers in the past, I would expect us to be in on one or both of them. That of course is assuming Charlie calls it quits. They both are still effective pitchers, even if they are no longer top of the rotation types.
I've talked about Jack Flaherty ad nauseam over the last 2 weeks leading up to the deadline. He is super solid. If the Dodgers let him walk, I would be all over him. He probably won't get any more than 4/80 given his injury history and overall inconsistent career.
Yusei Kikuchi is also someone I was high on at the deadline. He's a lefty with legitimate TOR stuff if he can put it all together. I don't expect Houston will let him leave, but I would be very interested in him if they did.
If Nathan Eovaldi fails to reach 156 innings pitched this year he could be a FA as well. Right now he's on pace to reach that mark, but if he doesn't and TX doesn't re-sign him, I think he would be a good replacement for Charlie.
Finally, Jordan Montgomery is also someone that intrigues me as a cheap bounce back candidate. While at first glance some might assume he is done given his terrible results this year, I think it's a case of his stuff just not playing well in the desert. His ERA is a full 4.00 runs higher at home than it is on the road. His overall FIP is also 2 runs lower than his overall ERA. I wouldn't hate giving him a shot as our number 5 if we can secure a suitable Fried replacement.
It seems unless we can re-sign Fried or sign Burnes, then we will be in the trade market for a TOR SP. Crochet would certainly be at the top of that list.
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bravesfanMatt
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So what do the Braves do when Fried comes off DL? Lee has options so that seems to be the smarter choice.. but he is probably better than a guy like uncle Jesse.. so do you DFA Jesse or send the better pitcher down?
Chavez is going nowhere. It will be Lee or Holmes going down. There is also the possibility that we rotate Schwelly out with Elder/AJSS through the rest of the season in order to keep his innings down and in between starts we call up an extra reliever.
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bravesfanMatt
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I mean I tend to agree.. But Homes is starting Saturday. I could see them maybe activating Fried after Saturdays game and sending Holmes down for 15 days. Then like you said rotating him and SS to suppress his innings if the team is in a more comfortable position playoff wise.
bravesfanMatt
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I think it is only 10 days when you option a guy, I said 15 before... but then there are the new rules about yo-yo'ing too much. like you can only option a guy 5 times or something like that.
I will say, thinking about this does make it more reasonable that the Braves didn't target another pitcher.. They would have had to include a guy in a trade or flat out cut a guy.
I will say, thinking about this does make it more reasonable that the Braves didn't target another pitcher.. They would have had to include a guy in a trade or flat out cut a guy.
cajunrevenge
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I know signing Juan Soto is a pipedream but without knowing what contract it would take but knowing bidding starts at 10 years 500 million I think the Braves should seriously consider it. Free agency is a minefield but Soto is a future hall of famer going into his age 26 season. The difference maker in his next contract will probably be the amount of years. I am willing to overpay for 38 year old Soto if it means getting prime Soto when we have a roster primed for championship runs. We could probably still get under the luxury cap to reset the penalties too. Soler shouldnt be too hard to dump. Some teams who want to contend got crap from their DH. Like the Royals or the ever delusional Angels. Murphy we could probably still get some prospects for. The Cubs got crap from their catchers and reportedly went hard after O'Hoppe the young catcher of the Angels. We could probably get a couple marginal prospects for Murphy at the least. Maybe we have to trade an expensive reliever like Pierce Johnson or do a little shenanigans with the contract to get the average annual value lower but we could get under that luxury cap. We would then be in a pretty good position for a few years with the luxury cap. Ozuna is a good bet to stay beyond his 2025 option but will get a big raise. With Soto we atleast have some leverage there and it wouldnt be the end of the world to let Ozuna go so we could use the DH more strategically. Raisel Iglesias might be pitching himself into getting a qualifying offer after 2025 at his current rate. Unless he is willing to take a very short term deal I think we could let him walk. We have so much pitching coming down the pike they cant all go into the rotation. I would rather a few become good reliever so we dont spend 50 million a year on guaranteed contracts for the pen. A cheap pen means we can have nice things like a Juan Soto. The rotations already cheap as hell for the production we get from it and going to be very cheap after Fried/Morton are gone. Lopez we have for 3 more years. Sale 2 years but he seems like a good bet to stay as long as we want him. Schwellenbach is on track for arbitration in 2028. Strider we got for years and while his salary jumps its only 12 million a year according to the luxury tax formula. Ian Anderson we still have for 3 more years. I still believe he can atleast be a backend starter. I am still super high on AJSS who we have for 6+ more years. Waldrep I think can be our cheap closer replacement for Iglesias. I feel like nows the time to strike. This would be like our signing Maddux moment from the 90's. Everyone else wants Soto to make them a contender. Braves are a contender without him. With Soto they could have a run like the Astros of recent years. 10 years from now if he loses an arm in a woodchipper and we are on the hook for that extra money it will be a minor inconvenience. Like we never had some dead money on the team. But thats kind of a worse case scenario. He is as good of bet as anyone to be productive even if overpaid late into his 30's.
WaitingFor2017
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Would love to dump the Soler contract and the Murphy contract one another team -- then go big for Adames to put Arcia on the bench and have Baldwin (if ready) come up catch the majority of the games with TDA being the backup
cajunrevenge
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Adames defense was not so great this year. I find that very concerning.
I’m not sure where the rumor came from, but if the Braves are truly trying to get under the tax threshold I’d be prepared for a very meh offseason.
It’s likely we see Arcia at SS because he’s a cheap low end regular, Soler lumbering around LF because nobody else wants a bat-only guy with a .750 OPS for 2 years, Kelenic on the bench, and Laureano dumped because he’s too expensive to be a 5th OFer.
No idea who AA will target for the rotation, but I fully expect him to pull another Sale/Lopez rabbit out of his hat rather than give a FA premium cash.
It’s likely we see Arcia at SS because he’s a cheap low end regular, Soler lumbering around LF because nobody else wants a bat-only guy with a .750 OPS for 2 years, Kelenic on the bench, and Laureano dumped because he’s too expensive to be a 5th OFer.
No idea who AA will target for the rotation, but I fully expect him to pull another Sale/Lopez rabbit out of his hat rather than give a FA premium cash.
Like it or not, this roster has almost zero flexibility after all the extensions. Everyone loved them at the time, but this is the inevitability I warned about when they were being signed by everyone that stepped foot in Atlanta, and is why most teams don’t lock in a “core” for a decade.
Strike3urout
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Absolutely. I find it amusing that folks here are again dishing out big imaginary FA contracts. Have you not followed this team over the last few years (decades)?
There's probably going to be a few smaller deals to improve the team at the fringes, maybe one high risk / high reward move, and a couple of extensions we won't like. AA rarely makes sure-fire moves, where he goes out and buys security at a position. He's able to skew the risk/reward in the Braves' favor, but there is a risk nonetheless (not necessarily in terms of $, but injury or underperformance). For every Sale and Lopez, there is one Kelenic. And that is actually a really good ratio.