Megathread: Braves lose Maitan, Bae and 10+ plus International Sanctions.

smootness said:
Please point me to the posts I made on the subject. Major internal strife in the FO =/= breaking MLB rules.
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PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND

How do you think Coppy got caught? Why do you think he is the scapegoat? You really think the GM title means he is solely responsible for whatever rule was broken? You don't think Hart and JS knew about whatever Coppy did?

Now we get more info about how everyone hated Coppy.

And you STILL have your head in the sand.
 
smootness said:
The reason Coppy resigned seems pretty clear...he broke the rules and MLB investigated him and clearly found something. This was not a decision made by the Braves.
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the braves do get to decide what to do about his supervisor...this should go up one in the chain of command...but that's not the braves way
 
Forever Fredi said:
Stop saying the Braves. It's the two headed monster up top in JS and JH.

People need to stop thinking Bobby is involved in this. There's no coincidence Bobby has kind of faded into the shadows more since Fredi was fired. He told Fredi "I had no idea" that he was going to get canned. People think Bobby is still responsible for Snitker being the manager here. I wouldn't be surprised if Coppy was canned because he wanted to fire Snitker, in the same way Wren was canned for trying to fire Fredi.

What infuriates me more is if Coppy and Wren were also fired because they were trying to advance the team's strategy and more into sabermetrics which all of the top teams have done, and JS and JH the old school guys didn't want anything to do with it and want to keep this Braves Way non-sense.
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This is where I get off the bus. Coppolella was and is a non-baseball guy. He was the most stat-driven cowboy we've had in the bunkhouse. If the puppet masters were pulling the strings and he's the fall guy, that's wrong. But I just don't cotton to this notion that the Braves are somehow doing cave paintings next to a bunch of Jackson Pollocks.

Wren had his problems and had run out his string. Coppolella wasn't ready for the big chair, has had his problems, and has run out his string. I'm all for putting Schuerholz, Hart, and Cox in a retirement village, but this is a team effort and and down the line.

I lived through John Mullen's tenure, so I can take just about anything.
 
Sucks to see Coppy go, tho I realize he likely deserves it. Made a lot of good trades while he was here (and a few bad ones mixed in). That said, I'm ready for the Dayton Moore era to begin
 
Coppy was the one who didn't want Swanson promoted early.

Coppy isn't the one who doubted Albies.

There was a lot of talk about how the FO was fractured.

And now Coppy is the one who will take the fall for this fiasco.

Seems to me Coppy was thrown under the bus, and now the "old school" guys are once again in complete control.
 
Enscheff said:
PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND

How do you think Coppy got caught? Why do you think he is the scapegoat? You really think the GM title means he is solely responsible for whatever rule was broken? You don't think Hart and JS knew about whatever Coppy did?

Now we get more info about how everyone hated Coppy.

And you STILL have your head in the sand.
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I do not believe Schuerholz and Hart signed off on any clear breach of MLB rules, no. And I feel confident that if MLB investigated this and it resulted in Coppy and Blakeley going down, then they would have found evidence of JS and JH being involved if it was there.

As for the idea that someone in the Braves organization alerted MLB to the breaking of rules, that is certainly a possibility. Generally I would assume it would be other FOs that do that, the ones who were directly burned as a result of the rule-breaking.

I'm not all-in for the FO here. I liked Coppy's general approach and hate that he's gone like this, I hate that we'll likely face penalties from MLB, and I hate that we'll probably poormouth him and blame everything on his on his way out. I also didn't like some of the moves he made and don't generally have a lot of confidence in JS and JH in the interim and would like them to move on ASAP.

I'm not sure why you seem to have an inability to recognize that there are more options for opinions than 'All is great, the Braves can do no wrong!' and, 'Everything sucks, we will forever be losers and everyone is stupid'.

You're the one jumping to conclusions here. Part of the stuff you put so much stock in earlier came from Jeff freaking Wren. This may be related to the earlier reports, and it may not be. I'm sure if there was internal strife, this played a part in one way or another. But anyone pretending they could foresee something like this, even after those earlier reports, is insane.
 
Enscheff said:
Coppy was the one who didn't want Swanson promoted early.

Coppy isn't the one who doubted Albies.

There was a lot of talk about how the FO was fractured.

And now Coppy is the one who will take the fall for this fiasco.

Seems to me Coppy was thrown under the bus, and now the "old school" guys are once again in complete control.
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And if that's true, it sucks.
 
Wow. My immediate speculation is that one or more of the scouts the Braves let go a few weeks ago were disgruntled with Coppy and Blakely and ended up leaking some unsavory info to MLB. Based on the Passan tweet, it sounds like nothing has been substantiated yet, but there must be enough smoke if they were asked to resign.

As his direct supervisor, I think it's best that Hart helps (but doesn't fully own) with the process to identify a successor to Coppy, then resigns his position.
 
50PoundHead said:
This is where I get off the bus. Coppolella was and is a non-baseball guy. He was the most stat-driven cowboy we've had in the bunkhouse. If the puppet masters were pulling the strings and he's the fall guy, that's wrong. But I just don't cotton to this notion that the Braves are somehow doing cave paintings next to a bunch of Jackson Pollocks.

Wren had his problems and had run out his string. Coppolella wasn't ready for the big chair, has had his problems, and has run out his string. I'm all for putting Schuerholz, Hart, and Cox in a retirement village, but this is a team effort and and down the line.

I lived through John Mullen's tenure, so I can take just about anything.
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I don't think it's any coincidence that when Coppy was doing interviews and Q&A, he was downplaying the importance of Saber. Before he took the job there were those of us excited that a guy that was a numbers guy like him was able to be GM and have influence on our future. But then publicly it was a little weird when he'd say things like defensive metrics aren't that valuable. Or he goes and gets Kemp.
 
This is horrible. New GM means....trading guys that aren’t his and making the team his own. Coppy also pushed the youth movement. This is bad...really bad. Not even including any actions the league takes against us.
 
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