Megathread: Braves lose Maitan, Bae and 10+ plus International Sanctions.

GeorgiaGirl said:
That's actually wrong. I can't produce the source that says so but I saw somewhere that said the Braves will be eligible on May 1 to do so though.

But the bonus ban ensures that it doesn't really matter though.
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Got it. You're correct. There's only a 6-week window where these players can get additional money:

"As Ben Badler at Baseball America reports, players have six weeks from December 5th to January 15th to sign for an additional signing bonus. They can still sign after that but won’t be eligible for more money on top of whatever they got from the Braves. "
 
It's been a struggle the past few years remaining a fan. This seals the deal. I'm officially done being a baseball fan. MLB will not get another dime from me. If other teams were being punished too, I wouldn't have as upset about it, but everyone knows that everyone else does it and the Braves are the team to pay. Screw Manfred and screw baseball.
 
Enscheff said:
Even this FG article pisses me off:

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-braves-punishment-is-in-and-its-harsh/

A quick mention at the end that every team does this kind of thing as if it’s an unimportant detail.

I liked the analogy someone else came up with about jay walkers. It’s like the cops going up to a group of 30 jay walkers, grabbing the one with spiked hair, and locking him up for life while the others walk away unpunished.
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I agree.

That said I thought we got off ok. We have a huge opportunity cost lost. Maitan and the catcher hurt. Third round bonus pool hurts. It hurts a lot.

But we cheated and we deserved it.

I think one of these guys will be a star. A couple will be valuable players.

We kept Pache , Waters, encarnacion etc. That was important to me.

Aa will have to be creative filling out low minors and or draft almost all high school kids.

I think we can overcome this.

Coppys Olivera trade and double down on kemp has to be close to as damaging as losing maitan
 
Enscheff said:
Hart absolutely tried to use Coppy as a scapegoat. It backfired, and the end result was Blakely spilling all the beans and making the penalty 10x worse than it would have been.

But yeah, go ahead and keep with your storyline. Do you need the order of events laid out for you again?
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Lol wut??

My God, you are impossible. They were forced when the news came out about the investigation. Coppy was banned for life by baseball. That isn't a scapegoat.
 
Enscheff said:
So all the rumors about a divided FO are also untrue?

When the Braves decease their payroll in 2018 that isn’t a sign they missed revenue projections?

You need a blatant statement from someone to piece these things together?

Logic is hard for some people I suppose.
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Banned for life. But totally a scapegoat....

Give it up and admit up you were clearly wrong. He was fired, and rightfully so, because of this scandal.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I agree.

That said I thought we got off ok. We have a huge opportunity cost lost. Maitan and the catcher hurt. Third round bonus pool hurts. It hurts a lot.

But we cheated and we deserved it.

I think one of these guys will be a star. A couple will be valuable players.

We kept Pache , Waters, encarnacion etc. That was important to me.

Aa will have to be creative filling out low minors and or draft almost all high school kids.

I think we can overcome this.

Coppys Olivera trade and double down on kemp has to be close to as damaging as losing maitan
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My issue isn’t what the Braves deserved. An unbiased view probably agrees with the penalties for the most part.

My issue is MLB turning a blind eye amd allowing all other similar violations to go unpunished. It isn’t a secret this stuff goes on with other organizations, so where are the 2 month investigations into their actions?

The Braves have had their talent acquisition pipeline approximately cut in half for the better part of a decade for breaking rules almost every team breaks. The “they are the team who got caught” line of reasoning holds zero weight with me...it will be just as easy to catch several other teams.
 
Carp said:
Banned for life. But totally a scapegoat....

Give it up and admit up you were clearly wrong. He was fired, and rightfully so, because of this scandal.
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Lol arguing semantics.

It is a fact Coppy was sacrificed by Hart in an attempt to save himself. Call it whatever you want.

It’s clear there was factional infighting in the FO between the dorks and dinosaurs.

It’s clear Hart tried to save himself by firing Coppy and have him sign an NDA.

It’s clear Hart’s plan didn’t work and he was eventually fired.

It’s clear they missed revenue projections and payroll will decrease next year.

I don’t care what you want to call it.
 
Anyone else read the statement released by the braves? Not a big fan of it

It's an embarrassment to the city and to the fans.

Really the more I think of this situation, the more pissed I get. They get a brand new stadium, opportunity to make hundreds of millions in revenue. And yet put out a bad product, cheat and lie. Yet they still expect us to cget me out as fans. Maybe that's why attendance always sucks. Locals just aren't buying their **** anymore.
 
Enscheff said:
My issue isn’t what the Braves deserved. An unbiased view probably agrees with the penalties for the most part.

My issue is MLB turning a blind eye amd allowing all other similar violations to go unpunished. It isn’t a secret this stuff goes on with other organizations, so where are the 2 month investigations into their actions?

The Braves have had their talent acquisition pipeline approximately cut in half for the better part of a decade for breaking rules almost every team breaks. The “they are the team who got caught” line of reasoning holds zero weight with me...it will be just as easy to catch several other teams.
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Yes. There was a high school party and all our friends were drinking. We were the ones that got the drinking ticket. Everyone was ****ing but we got herpes. That is true.

We still have a top 5, prob top 2, system with guys in each level. We still have two high picks next yr. we still have high end potential in Swanson and albies.

I really like aa

I still think we are better off than a lot of teams moving forward. I still think we can win and get to the playoffs during this penalty phase if we make smart decisions and guys like acuna, ff, gohara, albies live up to their 3 plus war talent
 
Enscheff said:
Even this FG article pisses me off:

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-braves-punishment-is-in-and-its-harsh/

A quick mention at the end that every team does this kind of thing as if it’s an unimportant detail.

I liked the analogy someone else came up with about jay walkers. It’s like the cops going up to a group of 30 jay walkers, grabbing the one with spiked hair, and locking him up for life while the others walk away unpunished.
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It's definitely a bitch that we're now just a cautionary tale, but I'm just going to cling to the report of Maitan not even looking like a prospect for my sanity.

No ill will wished toward the kid, though.
 
striker42 said:
If we see the commissioner's office come down with similar penalties on a dozen clubs in the next year, I might begin to agree with you. But I seriously doubt any team will see sanctions close to this heavy in the next half century.
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You don't think that will have anything to do with the fact that today sends the message to every team in baseball that "enough is enough" and they're not going to put up with this *hit anymore?

Every member of upper management has been sending e-mails and scheduling emergency meetings for several hours to make their people understand they better follow the rules from this day forward - no matter how they've done business or what they've gotten away with in the past - or they won't have to wait on the Commissioner's Office to start investigating them.

Again, it really sucks that it was us caught up in this, but the message sent today is "quit cheating or lose your career" - that's going to be a pretty strong deterrent regardless of whether you're in San Diego or New York.
 
Here's the thing. Everybody does it. But the Braves are the only ones to alienate their own employees to where this gets blown open. You have to be a special kind of stupid to not realize this **** would come back on them.
 
Im a Braves fan for over 30 years and this IMO is truly the darkest day in the history of the team. This entire mess is an embarrassment. Losing players hurts but the betrayal, lies and con job that has been played on us fans hurts even more. I'm glad Coppy got a life time ban he deserves it. His lack of integrity is disturbing. I hope the Braves deal harshly with anyone else that was just involved in this.

I'm glad this is over now and now AA can start rebuilding this ship. At least he still has plenty to chips in the minors to play with but his margin for error is razor thin now.
 
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