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57Brave
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hmm.... what if they aren't the same number?
I.E. - how much value does a cashier bring to Walmart? $21/hr?
Why do you think that?
57Brave
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Try to base 7/8 of my choice for POTUS on temperament rather than issues.
Whatever current issues a President runs on are eventually at the whim of 538 people that want his/her job
Lord knows what events will present themselves in that 4 year term.
Watching GWB lay into John McCain in South Carolina primary showed me a man that had no respect -- which, he eventually bore out
Watching Obama and McCain's reaction 8 years later at the September economic meeting in the White House secured my sense that Obama would calmly handle the situation that required panic where McCain stumbled, stammered and shut down his campaign.
McCain choose an unproven token to be his 2nd
Romney had the temperment and resolve of a jelly fish. "
not a bone in his jelly bag" - J Hendrix
Watching Clinton and Trump --
It will be one of them that will get the 3 AM call, not the movement (however noble) either Johnson of Stein followers envision.
57Brave
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you , like Zito, don't understand the significance or the context of the $21 per hour figure
you're thoughts on the Mother Jones article?
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I do understand it...
You didn't understand my question.
Should a business pay someone $21 an hour (or $15, or $12) if the employee only provides $8/hr in value to the business?
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zitothebrave
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Steaksauce you need to learn to debate, you bring some weak ass **** to this game.
1. Hillary has changed her stance so many times on minimum wage how can you clearly say it's what she wants? ANd in a way isn't regionalizing it kind of like leaving it up to the States? Which you basically just derailed. Many places already more or less have a regional correction vs. the minimum wage. In NJ I never ever earned below 10 an hour back in NJ back in the late 2000s, I could go back there and make 15+ an hour right now. Because jobs there already pay more because COL is more expensive. What she's saying is just bull****.
2. I'm going by Trump's most recent statement.
3. Glad you admit that you don't have any issue bringing up non-issues in an attempt to slander competition. Glad you're swiftboating her.
4. You can't just throw the market at that. And realize as well the difference in the labor market of the 70s vs today. In the 70s many families were still nuclear families. Most didn't have both husband and wife working fulltime jobs. Could list a number of things that are different.
5. I'm picking on you for being obtuse and thinking that Hillary gives a flying **** about the Occupy crowd. She is exactly what the OWS crowd is protesting about.
6. I read the article, and I read tons of others from other sources. Basically the net gain is negligible as people are earning more but labor is getting cut.
1. Hillary has changed her stance so many times on minimum wage how can you clearly say it's what she wants? ANd in a way isn't regionalizing it kind of like leaving it up to the States? Which you basically just derailed. Many places already more or less have a regional correction vs. the minimum wage. In NJ I never ever earned below 10 an hour back in NJ back in the late 2000s, I could go back there and make 15+ an hour right now. Because jobs there already pay more because COL is more expensive. What she's saying is just bull****.
2. I'm going by Trump's most recent statement.
3. Glad you admit that you don't have any issue bringing up non-issues in an attempt to slander competition. Glad you're swiftboating her.
4. You can't just throw the market at that. And realize as well the difference in the labor market of the 70s vs today. In the 70s many families were still nuclear families. Most didn't have both husband and wife working fulltime jobs. Could list a number of things that are different.
5. I'm picking on you for being obtuse and thinking that Hillary gives a flying **** about the Occupy crowd. She is exactly what the OWS crowd is protesting about.
6. I read the article, and I read tons of others from other sources. Basically the net gain is negligible as people are earning more but labor is getting cut.
57Brave
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again, the $21 an hour number is the rate had minimum wage kept pace with inflation.
I wish that it had and hope new legislation mandates it does.
That is the context and signifigance.
Secondly knowing full well I favor half a loaf over no loaf, with the difficulty getting it to 15, how on the world would it realistic it going to 21.?
You are,arguing with yourself
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I'm amazed that you either do not understand the question, or simply refuse to acknowledge it. I'll ask again...
Should a business pay someone $21 an hour (or $15, or $12, or $10) if the employee only provides $8/hr in value to the business?
sturg33
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You are truly clueless
57Brave
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Steaksauce you need to learn to debate, you bring some weak ass **** to this game.
who's debating? I offered an article that poses both sides from a source not know for exploring both sides
1. Hillary has changed her stance so many times on minimum wage how can you clearly say it's what she wants? ANd in a way isn't regionalizing it kind of like leaving it up to the States? Which you basically just derailed. Many places already more or less have a regional correction vs. the minimum wage. In NJ I never ever earned below 10 an hour back in NJ back in the late 2000s, I could go back there and make 15+ an hour right now. Because jobs there already pay more because COL is more expensive. What she's saying is just bull****.
Sure she has. But she has adopted Sander's view.
Why not just declare a win and move on?
However, Sander,Clinton or Trump will have to deal with the number Ryan,Pelosi and McConnell hammer out.
My guess? It comes out to be a bil along the lines of Clintons debate stance - $12 base with a local COL index up to $15
2. I'm going by Trump's most recent statement.
Which one ?
3. Glad you admit that you don't have any issue bringing up non-issues in an attempt to slander competition. Glad you're swiftboating her.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
4. You can't just throw the market at that. And realize as well the difference in the labor market of the 70s vs today. In the 70s many families were still nuclear families. Most didn't have both husband and wife working fulltime jobs. Could list a number of things that are different.
Yeah, $0.27 a gallon gasoline. Why not, why didn't it keep up with inflation ?
Me and the cashier at WalMart both paid $2.00 a gallon today
5. I'm picking on you for being obtuse and thinking that Hillary gives a flying **** about the Occupy crowd. She is exactly what the OWS crowd is protesting about.
Hillary injected some Occupy language. I really don't think she is going to stand on the front lines.
Tell me, was the phrase "1%" in that context used at either convention in 2012 ? That was all I took from it
6. I read the article, and I read tons of others from other sources. Basically the net gain is negligible as people are earning more but labor is getting cut.
As noted above, I found that interesting from Mother Jones. Curious how that gets corrected d
Never meant to debate this, saw the meme and the optics struck me and thought there might be a discussion
Tell me,
What is your stance on Minimum Wage ?
57Brave
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well, who determined $8 per hour ?
Isn't that the issue, who determines the wage floor ?
sturg33
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The business determines how much a employee's value is...
Now... would you answer the ****ing question. Should a business pay an employee more than the value that the employee brings to the business?
sturg33
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Wow... you really are so stupid.
I'm going to try one more time... then I'll move on bc you're clearly clueless
If an employee brings a business $8/hr in value (as determined by the business)... should the business be forced to pay more than that for that labor?
57Brave
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Yes - according to 1938 law We the People determine the wage floor. Not business'
Do you know why?
By your train of thought,
Is it the same formula used to determine employee value used by pharmaceutical companies to price drugs?
Or insurance companies use to value premiums?
Can we see the methodology used to determine "value" ?
Is it necessary to refer to those that disagree with you "stupid" or "clueless"
Reminds me of a public figure ... wonder who ...
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Arguments in favour of a minimum wage mostly hang on the idea that firms have a responsibility to ensure that their workers earn enough to live on. If a firm can't pay its workers enough to live on, then it isn't a viable business, because it is dependent on wage subsidies.