Minor Shoulder & Urethra Issues

Sorry about the comments to Dalyn and who else it was, that was out of line.
 
I do think our depth is much better this year, but still a concern obviously.

Can say the same for every team though.
 
Dalyn said:
The depth 6-8/10 is better. 1-5 is not.
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I'd take this year's group (Minor, Medlen, Beachy, Teheran, Wood, Floyd) over last year's (Hudson, Maholm, Minor, Medlen, Teheran, Beachy).

In both cases we had one guy due to come back mid-season (Floyd and Beachy).

This year's versions of Minor, Medlen and Teheran are more established than last year's. Wood is an improvement over Maholm. Beachy this year versus Hudson last year is a push.
 
nsacpi said:
I'd take this year's group (Minor, Medlen, Beachy, Teheran, Wood, Floyd) over last year's (Hudson, Maholm, Minor, Medlen, Teheran, Beachy).

In both cases we had one guy due to come back mid-season (Floyd and Beachy).

This year's versions of Minor, Medlen and Teheran are more established than last year's. Wood is an improvement over Maholm. Beachy this year versus Hudson last year is a push.
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I disagree about the Beachy part mainly because we have no idea what he is going to be. Everything else is spot on though.
 
Heyward said:
Can say the same for every team though.
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I don't understand people using this as an excuse. A lot of teams have bullpen issues. Does that mean a contending team should not worry about fixing their bullpen? A lot of teams have defense issues. Does that mean a contending team should not worry about that, either? etc etc

Who do we actually need to worry about? Nationals, obviously. Then the top three or four contenders for the two wild card spots. Outside of that--and even more than those teams--Wren needs to worry about the Braves. He has made some great moves for the life of the team, but hasn't addressed any of the immediate issues.

Preseason 2013 vs Preseason 2014 (rotation)

Hudson > Minor (I would have it equal or perhaps a slight advantage to Minor if not for him already hurting)
Medlen > Medlen (We expected a lot more from Medlen last year--after his amazing finish to 2012--than we do this year)
Minor = Teheran (Perhaps a slight advantage to Teheran here, though his high innings last year really hurt)
Maholm > Beachy < Wood (Beachy is a huge injury concern and we expected a lot more from Maholm than we got - I expect much more out of Wood than that, but he likely won't be in the rotation at the beginning and will have to be stretched out when he is finally needed)
Teheran > Garcia (What more needs to be said?)

Before the season, the 2013 depth 1-5 was obviously better than what we are currently looking at for 2014.
 
Line me up on the Dalyn side of the equation. No one has great depth these days. That's why Hudson got the outrageous contract that he got (and why he's not in Atlanta). We can talk about Martin, Hale, and Northcraft, but does anyone here want those guys getting 20 starts combined and still think we can contend? Heck, I'm not that comfortable with Garcia.

We've graduated a ton of guys in recent years, which is why the rotation is so young, but there's not a lot in either Gwinnett or Mississippi that I would feel comfortable enough with in the rotation on an extended basis. Wren does a good job scouring the waiver wire at the end of spring training and maybe there'll be some filler for Gwinnett available then.
 
Dalyn said:
I don't understand people using this as an excuse. A lot of teams have bullpen issues. Does that mean a contending team should not worry about fixing their bullpen? A lot of teams have defense issues. Does that mean a contending team should not worry about that, either? etc etc

Who do we actually need to worry about? Nationals, obviously. Then the top three or four contenders for the two wild card spots. Outside of that--and even more than those teams--Wren needs to worry about the Braves. He has made some great moves for the life of the team, but hasn't addressed any of the immediate issues.

Preseason 2013 vs Preseason 2014 (rotation)

Hudson > Minor (I would have it equal or perhaps a slight advantage to Minor if not for him already hurting)

Medlen > Medlen (We expected a lot more from Medlen last year--after his amazing finish to 2012--than we do this year)

Minor = Teheran (Perhaps a slight advantage to Teheran here, though his high innings last year really hurt)

Maholm > Beachy < Wood (Beachy is a huge injury concern and we expected a lot more from Maholm than we got - I expect much more out of Wood than that, but he likely won't be in the rotation at the beginning and will have to be stretched out when he is finally needed)

Teheran > Garcia (What more needs to be said?)

Before the season, the 2013 depth 1-5 was obviously better than what we are currently looking at for 2014.
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Sure if Garcia is in our rotation then we have a problem. But this would seem to be a different issue than a depth issue. It is a managerial issue.

Btw I do share your concern that Garcia will end up being given more starts than he should.
 
nsacpi said:
It is a managerial issue.
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You are right about that.

What we will hear if no other additions are made -

"Garcia pitched great for us down the stretch and in the playoffs."

"We would like to limit Wood's innings."

"The bullpen needs another LHP."

That, combined with Garcia's contract clause, practically guarantees him the #5 spot as long as he doesn't die or kill someone.
 
Dalyn said:
You are right about that.

What we will hear if no other additions are made -

"Garcia pitched great for us down the stretch and in the playoffs."

"We would like to limit Wood's innings."

"The bullpen needs another LHP."

That, combined with Garcia's contract clause, practically guarantees him the #5 spot as long as he doesn't die or kill someone.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed he doesn't have too good a spring training. I'd be ok with him in the pen. But if Minor has to miss a couple starts, I'd rather we use Hale.
 
50PoundHead said:
Line me up on the Dalyn side of the equation. No one has great depth these days. That's why Hudson got the outrageous contract that he got (and why he's not in Atlanta). We can talk about Martin, Hale, and Northcraft, but does anyone here want those guys getting 20 starts combined and still think we can contend? Heck, I'm not that comfortable with Garcia.

We've graduated a ton of guys in recent years, which is why the rotation is so young, but there's not a lot in either Gwinnett or Mississippi that I would feel comfortable enough with in the rotation on an extended basis. Wren does a good job scouring the waiver wire at the end of spring training and maybe there'll be some filler for Gwinnett available then.
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Who knows. But the Braves did get 30 starts between Beachy and Maholm in 2013. They gave us 183 innings with a 4.42 ERA. Which was good for an era+ of 88. So the Braves got 30 starts of crap overall and still won a ton of games. It can happen. And if one of our starters is out for a good period of time before the trade deadline then a deal will be made. I have no doubts about that.
 
I honestly don't understand all this concern over the Braves starting pitching situation. Last year Mike Minor was the only guy to go over 200 innings thanks to unexpected injuries to Tim Hudson and Paul Maholm who were both expected to cross 200 innings. Medlen tossed 197 innings. Despite those injuries the Braves starting pitchers still threw 989 2/3 innings in 2013. That was the 3rd most innings in the majors. The Braves starters had 102 quality starts, 2nd most in the majors. Because of the great starting pitching, the Braves bullpen tossed just 460 2/3 innings in 2013, 2nd fewest in the majors.

The Braves starting pitching depth is even BETTER in 2014 now that we know we've got Alex Wood and Dale Hale that we can throw out there in a starting role should the need arise. All this concern to me is UNFOUNDED.
 
thewupk said:
Who knows. But the Braves did get 30 starts between Beachy and Maholm in 2013. They gave us 183 innings with a 4.42 ERA. Which was good for an era+ of 88. So the Braves got 30 starts of crap overall and still won a ton of games. It can happen. And if one of our starters is out for a good period of time before the trade deadline then a deal will be made. I have no doubts about that.
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I think Beachy and Maholm are a much better brand of crap than the three guys I mentioned.
 
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