MLB suspends Astros GM and Manager for a year, yuge fine and takes away draft picks.

Tapate50 said:
Pretty good point. Notice how every pitcher goes there and reclaims that prime form? I'm sure some is advanced stats, but it can't be THAT good for everyone.
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Wasn't he talking about using a foreign substance on the ball? Do I recall that correctly?
 
So I'm almost positive the 'bandaid wire' **** is real. Here is Trevor Bauer back on Nov 18th. lmao

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So, have we forgotten the '51 Giants? (who, BTW, hit significantly worse after the scoreboard started telling them what the next pitch would be than they did without)
 
So, when all this started, I really did not expect Houston to get hit hard at all, because the Yankees were caught in 2015 and only fined a little, the BoSox and Yankees were both caught in 2017 and not punished at all, and then, after 2017, the warning was sent out that teams would be punished if caught using electronic means. Since the Astros stuff was also in 2017, I thought, surely they wouldn't be hit that much harder than the other twp teams caught cheating in the same fashion that year, who weren't punished at all.

Well, I was wrong, clearly. And I still think that us pretty damned unjust. I mean, they deserve it, but so did at least two others, and you treat them all the same one way or the other.

But now, we have two different people saying the Yankees used electronic means in 2019, one of them played in AAA for the Yankees that season, if true it would be the third time in 5 seasons they've been caught doing it, it's well after the warning was issued (in part because of the last time they were caught cheating).... and the commissioner's office refuses to open an investigation.

This is ****ed. Either punish everyone guilty, or punish no one.
 
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Snowman said:
So, when all this started, I really did not expect Houston to get hit hard at all, because the Yankees were caught in 2015 and only fined a little, the BoSox and Yankees were both caught in 2017 and not punished at all, and then, after 2017, the warning was sent out that teams would be punished if caught using electronic means. Since the Astros stuff was also in 2017, I thought, surely they wouldn't be hit that much harder than the other twp teams caught cheating in the same fashion that year, who weren't punished at all.

Well, I was wrong, clearly. And I still think that us pretty damned unjust. I mean, they deserve it, but so did at least two others, and you treat them all the same one way or the other.

But now, we have two different people saying the Yankees used electronic means in 2019, one of them played in AAA for the Yankees that season, if true it would be the third time in 5 seasons they've been caught doing it, it's well after the warning was issued (in part because of the last time they were caught cheating).... and the commissioner's office refuses to open an investigation.

This is ****ed. Either punish everyone guilty, or punish no one.
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Yankees and Red Sox have been cheating big time and need to receive substantial punishment.
 
I still can’t imagine how teams are hurt by this. Especially if players knew from other teams. It seems like you could develop ways to beat their cheating and make it pointless to even try to cheat. I know if I was a manager I would put in place a whole new level of signs in 2020 and they would change game by game and even inning by inning. Catchers and pitchers can wear those silly arm notes to know what sign to look for in a sequence of four signs.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I still can’t imagine how teams are hurt by this. Especially if players knew from other teams. It seems like you could develop ways to beat their cheating and make it pointless to even try to cheat. I know if I was a manager I would put in place a whole new level of signs in 2020 and they would change game by game and even inning by inning. Catchers and pitchers can wear those silly arm notes to know what sign to look for in a sequence of four signs.
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That's great - in theory. The problem is that you need to have the middle infielders aware each time you switch since they often position themselves (or lean a certain way, change who's covering 2B in case of a SB attempt, etc. based on what pitch is called.

Nothing's ever quite as simple as it seems.
 
msstate7 said:
If they were gaining a big advantage using a wire, look for their numbers to drop this season.
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How are they suddenly going to punish them for using a wire when mlb already came out and said they investigated the use of electronic devices and found nothing. I mean I want those asshats to get hammered hard, but let’s be real, they won’t. The players union would pitch a hissy fit and players on that Houston team are no longer on Houston.
 
It's all a huge conflict of interest. This is a business, and MLB and the commissioner have the goal to make as much money as possible. So it does not benefit them in any way to go after cheaters and especially penalize the teams in their biggest markets.
 
Snowman said:
So, have we forgotten the '51 Giants? (who, BTW, hit significantly worse after the scoreboard started telling them what the next pitch would be than they did without)
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A tremendous book picked their cheating apart in great detail, called The Echoing Green, written by Joshua Prager. One of the best researched books of its kind ever written. It proved pretty conclusively that Thomson knew what was coming.
 
A major issue I have with punishing the players is that I don’t see how any of them had a realistic way to opt out of this organizational cheating. The proper punishment is to ban the owners and force the sale of the team.
 
Slippyjms said:
A major issue I have with punishing the players is that I don’t see how any of them had a realistic way to opt out of this organizational cheating. The proper punishment is to ban the owners and force the sale of the team.
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Sure you tell them: "I'm not participating in whatever drug deal you're cooking up"
 
Slippyjms said:
And then the organization is like ok cool. Enjoy not participating down in AAA or out of baseball.
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Lmao. Yeah, the Astros are going to ban George Springer, Jose Altuve, Carlos Correa, and/or Alex Bregman because they didn't want to cheat. Not to mention this wouldn't be allowed in any way shape or form.

Is this a serious post?
 
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